Re: [IRCA] Likely new state (620-WTMJ)

[Brian Rachford <azswdxing@xxxxxxxxx>]

Thanks for the thoughts on my tentative detection 620-WTMJ, and finally a
belated response.  I'm still on the fence as far as counting it, but I'll
wait a while in case I pick it up again during this favorable time of
year.  Todd mentioned looking for 1150-WHBY as another current Wisconsin
possibility.  Unfortunately, that's a difficult frequency without precise
nulling of 1160-KSL.  There's still a few kHz of USB available between
their lower IBOC sideband and splatter around the carrier to get 1150, but
it's still challenging while using a cardioid pattern.  I did, however,
pick up new KSEN this week while trying for WHBY (and another new state on
a different frequency, but that's for another post.)

Brian Rachford - Prescott, AZ
azswdxing@xxxxxxxxx
http://azswdxing.wordpress.com/

On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 1:08 PM, Paul B. Walker, Jr. <
walkerbroadcasting@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> My standards for DXing AM Broadcast stations and counting it, determine
> what the format is and find all stations on that frequency with the format
> then listen for a slogan, local phone number or business name.. that
> usually is more then enough to definitively answer who I heard without
> needing a call letter id.
>
> And working in radio, I'm familiar with alot of the networks in terms of
> the jingles they play, the personality names.. so that makes it even easier
> for me to narrow something down.
>
>
> Paul W.
>
> On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 1:58 PM, Russ Edmunds <wb2bjh@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > I'm with Rick in that I want to have ample conclusive evidence pointing
> > only to one station in order to count absent an ID.
> > That might be a couple of local ads, it might be a traffic report with
> > specific highways or intersections named, or something
> > like that. There are many sets of standards among DX'ers and we each have
> > to find what works best for us.
> >
> > Russ Edmunds
> > 15 mi NW Phila
> > Grid FN20id
> > <wb2bjh@xxxxxxxxx>
> >
> > AM: Modified Sony ICF2010's (2) barefoot w/whip
> > FM: Yamaha T-80 & T-85, each w/ Conrad RDS Decoder;
> > Onkyo T-450RDS; Tecsun PL-310 ( 2);
> > modified Sony ICF2010 w/APS9B @ 15';
> > Grundig G8 w/whip; modified Sony ICF2010 w/whip
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 2:52 PM, Paul Swearingen via IRCA <
> > irca@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
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> > > From: Paul Swearingen <plsbcbdxer@xxxxxxx>
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> > > Cc:
> > > Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 14:52:24 -0500
> > > Subject: Re: [IRCA] Likely new state (620-WTMJ)
> > > If I don't hear two of three - call letters, frequency, or city of
> > license
> > > - I don't count it -Paul Swearingen, Topeka
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Rick Dau <drummer1965us@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America <
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> > > Sent: Wed, Nov 25, 2015 11:12 am
> > > Subject: Re: [IRCA] Likely new state (620-WTMJ)
> > >
> > > My attitude about whether or not to count something as logged if I
> don't
> > > hear CLs mentioned has always been...if there's enough evidence that
> > points
> > > to it and no other station, then I will put it in my logbook.
> > >
> > > I do have to be careful sometimes, though.  With college and pro sports
> > > networks, there IS the old saying of "subject to change" and that
> change
> > > can, on occasion, happen right before the beginning of a season or even
> > in
> > > the middle of it.  Then there is the instance of what happened a couple
> > > weeks ago when I heard the conclusion of a Minnesota Wild hockey
> postgame
> > > show on 1240.  The 2015-16 Wild network list shows WMFG in Hibbing as
> the
> > > only 1240 on the network this year, yet the CLs I heard did not sound
> > like
> > > WMFG.  Turns out, by way of contacting a DXer in St. Cloud, his local
> > Wild
> > > affiliate was carrying another team's broadcast that night, and the
> > Wild's
> > > game got bumped to WJON-1240, which is co-owned.  So WJON was the
> > station I
> > > was actually getting at the time.  But something like that doesn't
> happen
> > > too often, though.
> > >
> > > I do know of DXers who absolutely won't count anything without hearing
> > > CLs, and that's their choice.  To each his own, as the old addage goes.
> > > But I think so much of DXing is, or ought to be, common sense.  I mean,
> > > let's be reasonable...if you're hearing someone on 700 with Cincinnati
> > Reds
> > > baseball, but don't hear an ID during commercial breaks, are you going
> to
> > > not count it simply because you don't hear the CLs?  The odds of it
> being
> > > anyone OTHER than WLW would be astronomical.  I would think that local
> > ads,
> > > especially if they contain local phone numbers with area codes included
> > > will, the majority of the time, be solid enough to point to it being a
> > > certain station.  Like being on 620 and hearing an ad with a phone
> number
> > > in the 414 area code.  GOTTA be Milwaukee!
> > >
> > > 73,
> > > Rick Dau
> > > South Omaha, Nebraska EN21af
> > > Http://www.dxworld.com/bcblog.html
> > > ________________________________________
> > > From: IRCA <irca-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> on behalf of
> todftscytj7707 <
> > > todftscytj7707@xxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 9:01:04 PM
> > > To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
> > > Subject: Re: [IRCA] Likely new state (620-WTMJ)
> > >
> > >  Others would not but to me, when it's that obvious, I would count it
> as
> > > well.
> > > Todd Skaine Bloomington mn
> > >
> > > Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device-------- Original message
> > --------From:
> > > "Paul B. Walker, Jr." <walkerbroadcasting@xxxxxxxxx> Date: 11/23/2015
> > > 6:23 PM  (GMT-06:00) To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club
> of
> > > America <irca@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: [IRCA] Likely new state
> > > (620-WTMJ)
> > > If you hear a phone number that ties it to a specific area, thats good
> > > enough for me to count it.
> > >
> > > Paul
> > >
> > > On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 6:22 PM, Brian Rachford <azswdxing@xxxxxxxxx>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > I'm almost certain that I logged Wisconsin for the first time here
> with
> > > > 620-WTMJ (1428 miles) near sunrise on the 21st.  My SDR recording
> > caught
> > > an
> > > > ad for a "locally owned and operated" cleaning service with the
> correct
> > > > Milwaukee phone number, but the signal suddenly died right before the
> > TOH
> > > > call.  A few seconds later, semi-local KTAR suddenly appeared,
> > presumably
> > > > their switch to daytime ND pattern at 7am MST (my local sunrise was
> > > > 7:08am).  WTMJ would have been on their more favorable daytime
> pattern
> > by
> > > > then, more than an hour after their sunrise.  Not sure that I feel
> > > > comfortable with one local ad without an explicit mention of the city
> > > but I
> > > > can't imagine what else it could be.
> > > >
> > > > Also had 1180-KZOT at the same time in the same direction (1020
> miles).
> > > > Even better, I had both 750-KAMA (400 miles/10 kW) and 1330-KCKM (584
> > > > miles/12 kW) an hour later, so some nice lingering skywave that
> > morning.
> > > >
> > > > Brian Rachford - Prescott, AZ
> > > > azswdxing@xxxxxxxxx
> > > > http://azswdxing.wordpress.com/
>
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