Re: [IRCA] more same stations, different receiving setups

[d1028gary@xxxxxxxxxxx]

Hi Jim, 
 
<<<ÂÂ Chuck's quick set-up at the cliffs was the stuff of Olympic standards.ÂÂ >>> 
 
Chuck does have some serious ocean cliff DXing experience, Jim. He has been a "Cliffhanger" almost as long as me. 
 
Gary 
ÂÂ 

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From: "James Renfrew" <jim.renfrew@xxxxxxxxx> 
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Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 11:58:08 PM 
Subject: Re: [IRCA] more same stations, different receiving setups 

Nothing quite like rolling out a thousand feet or more of beverage through 
dense pine and swamp along the rocky Newfoundland coast. ÂEven more fun 
with "weather". 

Chuck's quick set-up at the cliffs was the stuff of Olympic standards. ÂJim 
Renfrew 
On Jul 14, 2016 02:52, <d1028gary@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: 

> Chuck - 
> 
> My original comment about the broadband loop's "extended" setup time was 
> in comparison to Nick's active whip setup, or a single FSL setup. Whenever 
> you need to set up two secure vertical supports and adjust a control to 
> optimize F/B ratio you are likely to take more time than erecting a whip 
> antenna, or plopping a large FSL on a "Walker" base. ÂOn the other hand I 
> agree that the setup time of your ocean cliff broadband loops would be 
> "trivial" in comparison to setting up something like a large DKAZ, long 
> beverage or QDFA at sea level. 
> 
> Gary 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> From: "Chuck Hutton" <charlesh3@xxxxxxx> 
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> Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 10:48:32 PM 
> Subject: Re: [IRCA] more same stations, different receiving setups 
> 
> Gary - 
> 
> 
> Your original comment was that the loops required extended setup time. I 
> hope you'll now agree the flag / corner fed loop has trivial setup times. 
> 
> 
> Chuck 
> 
> 
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> 
> Chuck: 
> 
> Thanks for your comments. 
> 
> <<< Â My flag kit can be installed in total darkness in 10-12 minutes, as 
> Jim Renfrew witnessed a few weeks ago. There can't be much difference 
> between that and setup of your FSL Walkers (homage to Star Wars). Â >>> 
> 
> Actually a single large FSL can be set up on its PVC base (a.k.a. 
> "Walker") within about 2 minutes, and was done so a couple of times at the 
> cliff (Saturday and Monday mornings) resulting quick loggings of 1017-Tonga 
> upon first arrival at the site. The FSL setup only takes serious time who 
> you deploy four of them, complete with PVC bases, PVC radio holder frames, 
> plastic totes, Ultralight radios, digital recorders and connecting wires. 
> Hiroo Nakagawa was amazed at this extravaganza, and after watching it for a 
> few minutes did the complete disassembly for all four PVC "Walkers" on the 
> last day. 
> 
> 73, Gary 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> From: "Chuck Hutton" <charlesh3@xxxxxxx> 
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> Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 4:43:13 PM 
> Subject: Re: [IRCA] more same stations, different receiving setups 
> 
> Gary: 
> 
> 
> I agree about the FSL's. 
> 
> 
> My flag kit can be installed in total darkness in 10-12 minutes, as Jim 
> Renfrew witnessed a few weeks ago. There can't be much difference between 
> that and setup of your FSL Walkers (homage to Star Wars). 
> 
> 
> The deltas / loops are really not big for the cliffs. You could put 10 of 
> Tom's deltas in Rockworks 4 if you had supports. I could make my 18x18 flag 
> 6 times longer if desired. 
> 
> 
> And my jury is still out on the active whip after listening to the 
> recordings of weaker stations. Nick may have to be a big spender and go for 
> the 6' or 10' element. I'd be curious about using the standard 102' cb whip 
> which should mount onto the AMRAD unit. 
> 
> 
> Chuck 
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> The large (for the cliff) broadband loops used by Tom and Chuck are 
> superior performers for relatively sensitive investigation of the entire MW 
> band, but do require some extended setup time (in comparison to your active 
> whip and the FSL's), and have some weather vulnerabilities (in comparison 
> to your active whip). 
> 
> Your active whip provides generally good performance in covering the 
> entire band, and excels in quick setup and weather survivability (as we all 
> found out on the "day of the drowned rats"). 
> 
> The FSL's do require manual tuning (with the related weather hassles), but 
> they provide unexcelled low band performance, extremely quick setup and 
> have a huge advantage in performance for the compact size (they can be set 
> up in one square yard of flat space). 
> 
> Of course, all of these antennas get a DU-DXing performance boost when 
> they are deployed at an ocean cliff site, with its solid-rock attenuation 
> of back-side domestic signals and transoceanic signal boost. Related to 
> this, I hope that you will post the results of your July 11th comparison of 
> the ocean cliff propagation with that of the sea-level campsite nearby (in 
> which the Rockwork 4 DU-DXing results kicked those of the sea-level site 
> "off of the cliff"). 
> 
> 73, Gary DeBock (in Puyallup, WA, USA) 
> 
> 
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