Re: [IRCA] â"Science Fiction PL-380"-- Pest Control Version

[Walter Salmaniw <canswl@xxxxxxxxx>]

Wishful thinking, I guess, Gary.  Now, is there a simple way of converting
the failed FSL/FLG 100 combo to the traditional setup?  Is it simply a
matter of switching out the FLG and replacing it with a variable capacitor?
  73,...Walt

On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 3:48 AM, <d1028gary@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Hi Walt,
>
> <<<   Fellas, I'm interested again with the removal of the variable tuning
> capacitor and use for broad spectrum Perseus SDR captures.  As you recall,
> a number of these early large units were kindly built by Gary.  One was
> sent my way (and I may have the same in Masset).  Results have been
> variable.  Would anything different be done with these units compared to
> what we know today?   >>>
>
> Thanks for your comments.
>
> Although these hard-wired FSL antennas perform exceptionally well in the
> PL-380 model, they can do this only because the radio has a Silicon Labs'
> Si4734 DSP chip with an antenna-tuning function. Whenever the DXer changes
> frequency the DSP chip automatically responds by peaking sensitivity for
> the new frequency, eliminating the need for the DXer to peak a variable
> capacitor (as with traditional FSL antennas).
>
> Since the Perseus-SDR and other spectrum capture receivers don't have
> this critical component, hard-wiring those 7" FSL antennas into their
> circuitry wouldn't really accomplish anything (except maybe melting down
> the Perseus' front end with an RF overload). The hard-wired FSL's do behave
> somewhat like broadband antennas in the PL-380, but that's only because of
> the DSP chip's antenna tuning function. The combination essentially becomes
> single-optimized frequency reception from 531-1701 kHz, selectable by the
> DXer.
>
> 73, Gary
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: "Walter Salmaniw" <canswl@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: "Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America" <
> irca@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2016 5:52:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [IRCA]        â"Science Fiction PL-380"-- Pest Control Version
>
> Fellas, I'm interested again with the removal of the variable tuning
> capacitor and use for broad spectrum Perseus SDR captures.  As you recall,
> a number of these early large units were kindly built by Gary.  One was
> sent my way (and I may have the same in Masset).  Results have been
> variable.  Would anything different be done with these units compared to
> what we know today?   73,...Walt
>
> On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 12:37 AM, <d1028gary@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > Hi Guy,
> >
> > Thanks for your comments.
> >
> > <<<   I'm still puzzled as to the best way to go for nulling of pests,
> > regarding
> > diameter vs length proportions. Initially the "long and skinny" antennas
> > such as in the SRF-T615 were praised for their nulling, but now the
> > "stubby" FSLs appear to have the upper hand.    >>>
> >
> > Guy, there's no doubt that the stubby, hard-wired FSL's have really
> > created a new level of nulling capability-- in an entirely different
> league
> > than the loopsticks or long ferrite rods that preceded them. There are
> two
> > primary reasons for this. The new hard-wired FSL's are completely
> isolated
> > away from the radio circuitry, and they have no variable tuning capacitor
> > to upset their RF symmetry. They present a completely symmetrical RF coil
> > for reception purposes, which can null out pest stations under
> > laboratory-perfect conditions every time. All of the preceding antenna
> > designs were limited either by surrounding radio circuitry, a variable
> > tuning capacitor to upset the RF symmetry, or both.
> >
> > <<<   I guess this is an unfair apples to oranges comparison (hollow FSL
> vs
> > traditional solid rod antenna). To compare FSL to FSL then, are you
> finding
> > better nulling the "stubbier" you make the antennas?   >>>
> >
> > Yes, there is now no doubt that the shorter and stubbier a hard-wired FSL
> > coil becomes, the greater its nulling capability will be-- so long as the
> > RF design is completely isolated , and completely symmetrical.
> >
> > <<<   Do you recall the large diameter, short rod FSLs that Kevin
> > Schanilec built
> > inside of Christmas wreath containers? I wonder if those models were
> > excellent at nulling. I do remember that he did a lot of his testing
> > indoors, which can screw up nulls and reception completely. High
> > performance ferrite antennas CANNOT be reliably evaluated indoors!    >>>
> >
> > All traditional FSL's (including Kevin's designs) have a variable tuning
> > capacitor-- which is a distraction from a perfectly symmetrical RF
> > reception pattern. The larger and clunkier the variable capacitor, the
> > worse and worse the nulling capability gets. Long hookup wires to a
> > variable cap also upset the symmetrical RF reception pattern, further
> > reducing nulling capability. The new hard-wired FSL's avoid both issues
> > completely-- with perfect symmetry and no variable tuning capacitor.
> >
> > By the way, all of the local pests except for 1450-KSUH have been nulled
> > down into the noise. My guess is that the over-modulated KSUH is
> > broadcasting on more frequencies than its fundamental, making it tough to
> > null each one :-)
> >
> > 73, Gary
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >
> > From: "Guy Atkins" <dx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: "Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America" <
> > irca@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2016 3:02:59 PM
> > Subject: Re: [IRCA]        â"Science Fiction PL-380"-- Pest Control
> Version
> >
> > >
> > > âGary,
> > >
> >
> > âI'm still puzzled as to the best way to go for nulling of pests,
> regarding
> > diameter vs length proportions. Initially the "long and skinny" antennas
> > such as in the SRF-T615 were praised for their nulling, but now the
> > "stubby" âFSLs appear to have the upper hand.
> >
> > Do you think the cylindrical (hollow) design of the FSLs changes the
> > response to a groundwave pest station so that a high diameter-to-length
> > ratio *FSL* nulls better than a *solid* rod with a high
> LENGTH-to-diameter
> > ratio?
> >
> > I guess this is an unfair apples to oranges comparison (hollow FSL vs
> > traditional solid rod antenna). To compare FSL to FSL then, are you
> finding
> > better nulling the "stubbier" you make the antennas?
> >
> > Do you recall the large diameter, short rod FSLs that Kevin Schanilec
> built
> > inside of Christmas wreath containers? I wonder if those models were
> > excellent at nulling. I do remember that he did a lot of his testing
> > indoors, which can screw up nulls and reception completely. High
> > performance ferrite antennas CANNOT be reliably evaluated indoors!
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > Guy Atkins
> > Puyallup, WA
> >
> > > â
> > >
> > >
> > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> > > From: d1028gary@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > > To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America <
> > > irca@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Cc:
> > > Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 13:40:28 +0000 (UTC)
> > > Subject: [IRCA]
> > > ââ
> > > "Science Fiction PL-380"-- Pest Control Version
> > > Hello All,
> > >
> > > The first of the new hard-wired FSL models specifically designed to
> have
> > > an unusually sharp nulling capability is now a reality. With a "short
> and
> > > stubby" FSL design that emphasizes symmetry, isolation and a tidy RF
> > > reception pattern, this model can put all of my semi-locals (Seattle
> and
> > > Tacoma) down in the noise-- and even receive a few competing stations
> on
> > > their fundamental frequencies. Using 22 of the commonly available
> Russian
> > > surplus 62mm x 12mm x 4mm bars, this model is one of the "spinoff"
> > versions
> > > of the 3" Bar FSL PL-380 model (for which the 15-page "Heathkit-like"
> > > construction article was posted at
> > > http://www.mediafire.com/view/w0gcek56f6aq7kr/3_Inch_FSL_Tecsun_PL.doc
> > >  ), and has an FSL "sensitivity score" (coil diameter x ferrite length)
> > of
> > > 264-- pretty close to the 300 point score of the article version (with
> > > 100mm ferrite bars). The advantage of this model is that there is a
> huge
> > > supply of the Russian surplus 62mm ferrite bars, currently sold on eBay
> > by
> > > two different sellers. You can get 20 of them for $13-- including
> > shipping
> > > from Lithuania.
> > >
> > > Construction of this model is identical to the article version, except
> > for
> > > the FSL construction (which may be added as an addendum). All of the
> > > construction parts are readily available, also. Unless you live
> > practically
> > > next door to a local pest, this "pest control" model should cut
> > > your offenders way down to size. A photo of the new model is posted at
> > > https://app.box.com/s/5r95oxc9v24vm9hbpe2w1g800lbt4d3b
> > >
> > > 73 and Good DX,
> > > Gary DeBock (in Puyallup, WA, USA)
> > >
> > >
> > >
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