Re: [IRCA] UNID 530

[Russ Edmunds <wb2bjh@xxxxxxxxx>]

Where are you ? If you're along the East Coast or in the Southeast, I'd say that Radio Rebelde in Guantanamo is what it is. It is widely heard.


Russ Edmunds
15 mi NNW of Philadelphia  
Grid FN20id
<wb2bjh@xxxxxxxxx>
FM: Yamaha T-80 & Onkyo T-450RDS w/ APS9B @15'; Grundig G8
AM:  Modified Sony ICF 2010's barefoot


--- On Tue, 10/9/12, Bill Black <bblack@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> From: Bill Black <bblack@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [IRCA] UNID 530
> To: "irca@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx" <irca@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Tuesday, October 9, 2012, 4:07 PM
> Hello,
> 
> For the cast few weeks I have been hearing a weak Spanish
> language station under Radio Encyclopedia on 530. This
> morning between 0900 and 1000 UTC the station was strong
> enough to overwhelm RE most of the time.  The only
> other station I can find that might be a possibility is
> Guantanamo at 1KW. Should I assume this is what I am hearing
> or could there be other possibilities?
> 
> Thanks for any info.
> 
> Bill Black WA4BVK
> SDR-IQ
> ALA-100M
> DX Engineering active vertical
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>    1. Puyallup, WA Ultralight DU's for 10-9
> (d1028gary@xxxxxxx)
>    2. Surplus Russian Ferrite
> TP's/DU's/DA's/TA's for 10-9 (cafe-swl)
>    3. TP Oct 9, 2012  / Victoria version
> (Nick Hall-Patch)
>    4. Re: TP Oct 8, 2012  / Victoria
> version (Nick Hall-Patch)
>    5. Re: ULR DX....AURORA ALERT 1370 WTAB
> Tabor City, NORTH
>       CAROLINA  @ 109 Watts!! (neilkaz)
>    6. Re: ULR DX....AURORA ALERT!!! 1360 WMOB
> Mobile, ALABAMA @ 212
>       WATTS!!! (neilkaz)
>    7. Re: Puyallup, WA Ultralight DU's for
> 10-9 (richarda@xxxxxxxxxxxx)
>    8. Re: [NRC-AM] ULR DX....AURORA ALERT!!!
> 1360 WMOB Mobile AL
>       (Dave Hascall)
> 
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 11:04:05 -0400 (EDT)
> From: d1028gary@xxxxxxx
> To: ultralightdx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx,
> irca@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [IRCA] Puyallup, WA Ultralight DU's for 10-9
> Message-ID: <8CF74467595B704-638-1A8D2@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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> 
> 
> 
> Hello All,
> 
>      The auroral conditions completely
> wiped out the Asiatic stations here this morning, but it's
> obvious that there was highly unusual propagation from the
> South Pacific. Around 1345 several DU frequencies (forming
> an NZ pattern) managed moderately strong carriers-- even in
> this DU-dead zone. These were 594 (weak), 603 (weak), 657
> (moderate), 675 (moderate) and 765 (weak). Of course I knew
> very well who all of these NZ carriers were-- which made it
> even more frustrating when this mediocre location didn't
> allow any of them to come up to audio. It must have been a
> fantastic day at the coast... or even in Victoria!
>      738-Radio Polynesie in Tahiti was
> again the only South Pacific station to manage fair audio
> here this morning (around 1403), repeating its performance
> from yesterday. Congratulations to Tim Tromp in Michigan for
> again receiving audio from 702-Sydney and 738-Tahiti, and to
> Richard in Oklahoma for his reception of audio from
> 738-Tahiti on his PL-310 Ultralight. After Nick's reception
> of audio from 603-Waatea and 765-Kahungunu yesterday, I
> imagine that he had quite a New Zealand bonanza this
> morning.
> 
> 73 and Good DX,
> Gary DeBock (in Puyallup, WA,. USA)
> 7.5" MW loopstick Tecsun PL-380 +
> 8" Medium Wave FSL
> 
> 

> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2012 08:20:01 -0700
> From: cafe-swl <cafe-swl@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of
> America
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> Subject: [IRCA] Surplus Russian Ferrite TP's/DU's/DA's/TA's
> for 10-9
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> 
> As much as I would like to chide Gary with reports of
> widespread multi-continental receptions on all bands and all
> frequencies, it was more of a case of squeezing a dehydrated
> lemon into an empty martini glass. No one showed up for the
> party... or any party for that matter.
> 
> If there could have been less than zero, today was it.
> I jumped out of bed at 13:55 and sprinted directly to the
> SRFLA-50 and its newly mated Sony 2010...
> only to hear... domestics.
> 
> When it became abundantly clear that there would be no
> trans-oceanic reception, I snooped around 900 and 940
> looking for Hawaii - I have encountered Korean programming
> on 900 while at Jordan River and maybe some this morning -
> but pretty sure it was not Hawaii.
> 
> Within 5 minutes it was confirmed - the only whines,
> whistles or squeals were between my middle-aged ears.
> Funny that in 4 days of abandoning amateur radio in favor of
> 100% medium-wave listening, I have been rewarded with
> nothing but punishment.
> 
> Another day tomorrow.
> 
> Colin lives in Victoria... in the shadow of DXers like
> Walter and Nick... using radios like the Sony 2010 and
> antennas built by people like Gary Debock...
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2012 16:12:03 +0000
> From: Nick Hall-Patch <nhp@xxxxxxxx>
> To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of
> America
>         <irca@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [IRCA] TP Oct 9, 2012  / Victoria version
> Message-ID:
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> <20121009161217.LXSZ5216.priv-edmwes24.telusplanet.net@edmwcm04>
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> 
> Things are still decidedly auroral, and  mostly New
> Zealand (I think,
> because IDs were hard to come by).   Quite a
> lot of thunderstorm QRN,
> but the worst of the local noise held off until 1421UT
> today.   The
> other unusual observation was the number of weak audios with
> big
> carriers.   I usually find 612, for example,
> to start to show audio
> even when the carrier is still fairly low level. 
> Today, it needed some considerable beef in the carrier
> before it was audible.
> 
> 
> pretty darn good audio (all of it understandable by a native
> speaker, at least
> briefly):
> 
> none
> 
> 
> 
> reasonable audio  at  times during the period
> (much of it understandable by a
> native speaker, though often battling w/splash or noise):
> 
> none
> 
> 
> not so reasonable audio, occasional words or phrases in
> splash or
> noise could be
> understood by a native speaker:
> 
> 612 4QR woman talking //774 at 1416UT
> 
> 
> 
> Burbles in the splatter and noise (if lucky, language might
> be guessed at by
> cadence of talk, or parallel established by changes in talk
> or music) :
> 
> 531 slow vocal mx fighting with the local noise 1357UT and
> onward, no
> talk on the hour; 531 PI?
> 603 man talking 1409UT, likely Waatea, as had a vaguely
> Tagalog
> cadence to it; strong carrier, poor audio
> 702 man talking, very weak, various times, never able to
> nail down a parallel
> 738 sounded like DU EE by man 1411UT, but no parallel
> available
> (things were very erratic)
> 756 man talking 1408, no parallel available
> 774 3LO, //612 above 1416
> 882 woman talking at 1400, then bits of instrumental
> mx.   Southern Star?
> 909 laid back choral singing 1419UT; just about the time I
> brought up
> the Southern Star webstream, the nastier local noise kicked
> in at
> 1421UT and pretty much killed it.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Strongish het, no audio (either undermodulated or ravaged by
> splatter):
> 
> 567 891 1098
> 
> best wishes,
> 
> Nick
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2012 16:18:01 +0000
> From: Nick Hall-Patch <nhp@xxxxxxxx>
> To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of
> America
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> Subject: Re: [IRCA] TP Oct 8, 2012  / Victoria version
> Message-ID:
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> 
> Actually, I believe that 765 wasn't that uncommon on the
> Vancouver
> Island coast in the '80s Gary, back when it was 2ZK  (I
> wonder what
> Patrick remembers; bound to be a
> QSL!).   Even heard it at home a
> time or two, using unamplified box loop and transmogrified
> HRO if I
> remember right.   But, propagation changes
> over the years it seems.
> 
> best wishes,
> 
> Nick
> 
> 
> 
> At 13:11 09-10-12, you wrote:
> 
> >Nick,
> >
> >Well, even if 603-R. Waatea and 765-R. Kahungunu didn't
> manage much
> >of a signal in Victoria yesterday, your receptions were
> still very
> >impressive. As far as I know, 603-Waatea has never been
> heard at
> >Grayland, and only Bill Whitacre has heard 765-Kahungunu
> there.
> >
> ><<<   On my 828 unID, it appears
> quite possible that it was Radio
> >Trackside, as per the network's website, they are
> supposed to run
> >until 4AM NZ time.    >>>
> >
> >You are probably correct, since Kiwi-slanted propagation
> usually
> >brings in all three of these at the same time.
> 828-Trackside can be
> >pretty strong when you have this kind of bizarre
> propagation kick
> >in. And yes, I did have all three of these lower-powered
> Kiwi
> >stations pounding in at freakish levels this summer on
> the Oregon
> >cliffs, but at the time I figured that it was simply
> wishful
> >thinking brought on by sleep deprivation.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 11:19:00 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
> From: neilkaz <neilkaz@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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> America
>         <irca@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
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> Subject: Re: [IRCA] ULR DX....AURORA ALERT 1370 WTAB Tabor
> City, NORTH
>         CAROLINA  @ 109 Watts!!
> Message-ID:
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> 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> 
> These guys were commonly observed to be running day power at
> night last season. How can I tell with almost 100%
> certainty? Well simply by catching them during good sunset
> skip cx and not having them drop power at sunset which
> should bury them into the mud of other stations.  73
> KAZ Barrington IL
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: Robert Ross <va3sw@xxxxxxxxxx>
> >Sent: Oct 9, 2012 2:38 AM
> >To: IRCA AM List <irca@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >Subject: [IRCA] ULR DX....AURORA ALERT 1370 WTAB Tabor
> City,   NORTH CAROLINA  @ 109 Watts!!
> >
> >Hi Guys:
> >
> > More AURORA DX heard on a SONY SRF-T615 Ultralight
> Radio BAREFOOT!!!
> >
> >1370  WTAB  Tabor City, NC  109 Watts
> Night time Power
> >
> >Country Music "This Kiss" and "Let's Drink on it"
> >ID sung out by Females as WTAB". @ 0332 EDT
> >
> >RELOG Here
> >
> >73.....ROB VA3SW
> >
> >Robert S. Ross
> >London, Ontario CANADA
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> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 11:13:54 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
> From: neilkaz <neilkaz@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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> America
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> Cc: "irca@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx"
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> Subject: Re: [IRCA] ULR DX....AURORA ALERT!!! 1360 WMOB
> Mobile,
>         ALABAMA @ 212 WATTS!!!
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> 
> While I know that this is not politically correct to say
> this, WMOB is one station that can be called a cheater. They
> intentionally have run day power at night for most of the
> past two decades and I chatted with a DXer who spoke to
> their owner about this.
> 
> This is why they've been heard in Europe. I believe they've
> been fined at least once for this.  73 KAZ
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." <walkerbroadcasting@xxxxxxxxx>
> >Sent: Oct 9, 2012 7:58 AM
> >To: am@xxxxxxxxxxx
> >Cc: "irca@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx"
> <irca@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >Subject: Re: [IRCA] ULR DX....AURORA ALERT!!! 1360 WMOB
> Mobile,        ALABAMA @ 212 WATTS!!!
> >
> >I logged WMOB in Northernwestern Mississippi back in
> 2003 and 2004 quite
> >often. I hate to label them as cheater, but Rob.. it's
> very likely they
> >were on a full 5KW Daytime power.
> >
> >On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 8:44 AM, Rick Dau <drummer1965usa@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> >
> >> WMOB is a station that, over the course of some 20+
> years, has cheated
> >> OFTEN with 5 kw non-D, so it most likely wasn't the
> 212 that they should
> >> have been running when you heard them.  They
> have, more or less, become a
> >> reliable indicator of auroral conditions on the MW
> band.  I'm really
> >> surprised the FCC hasn't cracked down on them.
> >>
> >> 73,
> >> Rick Dau
> >> South Omaha, Nebraska
> >>
> >>   ------------------------------
> >> *From:* Robert Ross <va3sw@xxxxxxxxxx>
> >> *To:* NRC AM List <am@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 9, 2012 2:20 AM
> >> *Subject:* [NRC-AM] ULR DX....AURORA ALERT!!! 1360
> WMOB Mobile, ALABAMA @
> >> 212 WATTS!!!
> >>
> >> Hi Guys:
> >>
> >> Another Good One via AURORA!!!
> >>
> >> Heard on a BAREFOOT Sony SRF-T615 Ultralight
> Radio!!!
> >>
> >> 1360 WMOB Mobile, ALABAMA @ 212 Watts Night time
> Power!!!! NEW STATION!!
> >> Southern Gospel Music
> >> Male DJ with ID @ 0314 EDT as "WMOB Mobile"
> >> Into more Southern Gospel Music
> >>
> >> 73....ROB VA3SW
> >>
> >> Robert S. Ross
> >> London, Ontario CANADA
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 12:33:23 -0400
> From: "richarda@xxxxxxxxxxxx"
> <richarda@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: irca@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [IRCA] Puyallup, WA Ultralight DU's for 10-9
> Message-ID: <1c3641a21bbe4171b33b4af0fe6bc3ce.richarda@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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> Gary:
> 
> I won't say "Richard in Oklahoma" heard audio from
> 738-Tahiti. There was too much slop from nearby 740-KRMG (25
> kW), and probably KTRH, to know whether I heard anything
> other than a het on 738 kHz.  Sadly KRMG goes to 50 kW
> at 1230 GMT thus blocking further reception 738 here each
> morning.
> 
> Richard Allen,
> near Perry OK USA.
> 
> ------- Original Message -------
> >From    : d1028gary@xxxxxxx[mailto:d1028gary@xxxxxxx]
> Sent    : 10/9/2012 11:04:05 AM
> To      : ultralightdx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx;
> irca@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Cc      :
> Subject : RE: [IRCA] Puyallup, WA Ultralight DU's for 10-9
> 
> 
> 
> Hello All,
> 
>      The auroral conditions completely
> wiped out the Asiatic stations here this morning, but it's
> obvious that there was highly unusual propagation from the
> South Pacific.
> Around 1345 several DU frequencies (forming an NZ pattern)
> managed moderately strong carriers-- even in this DU-dead
> zone. These were 594 (weak), 603 (weak), 657
> (moderate), 675 (moderate) and 765 (weak). Of course I knew
> very well who all of these NZ carriers were-- which made it
> even more frustrating when this mediocre location
> didn't allow any of them to come up to audio. It must have
> been a fantastic day at the coast... or even in Victoria!
>      738-Radio Polynesie in Tahiti was
> again the only South Pacific station to manage fair audio
> here this morning (around 1403), repeating its performance
> from yesterday.
> Congratulations to Tim Tromp in Michigan for again receiving
> audio from 702-Sydney and 738-Tahiti, and to Richard in
> Oklahoma for his reception of audio from 738-Tahiti on
> his PL-310 Ultralight. After Nick's reception of audio from
> 603-Waatea and 765-Kahungunu yesterday, I imagine that he
> had quite a New Zealand bonanza this morning.
> 
> 73 and Good DX,
> Gary DeBock (in Puyallup, WA,. USA)
> 7.5" MW loopstick Tecsun PL-380 +
> 8" Medium Wave FSL
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 13:04:04 -0400
> From: Dave Hascall <dhinfomedia@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: irca@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [IRCA] [NRC-AM] ULR DX....AURORA ALERT!!! 1360
> WMOB
>         Mobile AL
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> > Yup, WMOB has been doing this for a while.  I
> caught them for the first
> > time about four years ago and obviously not 212 watts
> then and they seem to
> > be in at least weekly.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > The sad thing is that there is a 250 watt ULR award
> attributed to WMOB
> > that more than likely was when they were on the full
> daytime power.  At
> > that distance, 5 Kw would still be a good
> accomplishment but WMOB has
> > monkeyed with DX'ers, that is for sure. ;)  73
> Dave in Indy
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 05:44:20 -0700 (PDT)
> > From: Rick Dau <drummer1965usa@xxxxxxxxx>
> > To: "am@xxxxxxxxxxx"
> <am@xxxxxxxxxxx>, 
> "irca@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx"
> >         <irca@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Subject: Re: [IRCA] [NRC-AM] ULR DX....AURORA ALERT!!!
> 1360 WMOB
> >         Mobile, ALABAMA @
> 212 WATTS!!!
> > Message-ID:
> >         <1349786660.80189.YahooMailNeo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
> >
> > WMOB is a station that, over the course of some 20+
> years, has cheated
> > OFTEN with 5 kw non-D, so it most likely wasn't the 212
> that they should
> > have been running when you heard them. ?They have, more
> or less, become a
> > reliable indicator of auroral conditions on the MW
> band. ?I'm really
> > surprised the FCC hasn't cracked down on them.?
> > ?
> > 73,
> > Rick Dau
> > South Omaha, Nebraska
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >  From: Robert Ross <va3sw@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: NRC AM List <am@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2012 2:20 AM
> > Subject: [NRC-AM] ULR DX....AURORA ALERT!!! 1360 WMOB
> Mobile, ALABAMA @
> > 212 WATTS!!!
> >
> > Hi Guys:
> >
> > Another Good One via AURORA!!!
> >
> > Heard on a BAREFOOT Sony SRF-T615 Ultralight Radio!!!
> >
> > 1360 WMOB Mobile, ALABAMA @ 212 Watts Night time
> Power!!!! NEW STATION!!
> > Southern Gospel Music
> > Male DJ with ID @ 0314 EDT as "WMOB Mobile"
> > Into more Southern Gospel Music
> >
> > 73....ROB VA3SW
> >
> > Robert S. Ross
> > London, Ontario CANADA
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 
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