Re: [Swprograms] CPB meddling

["Scott Royall" <royall@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Already clarified my statement.

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Subject: Re: [Swprograms] CPB meddling

You have this cryptic way of writing, Scott.  What on earth do you 
mean?  :-))

On May 5, 2005, at 12:33 AM, Scott Royall wrote:

> You mean the facts you're interested in, rights?
>
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> Figliozzi
> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 5:38 PM
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> Subject: Re: [Swprograms] CPB meddling
>
> Hi David:
>
> Well, to me, facts are not liberal or conservative.  If the facts lead
> one in a particular direction or to particular conclusions, I don't
> know how one can characterize that as anything but practical.  The
> trouble comes in when one sets aside the facts and follows a path that
> is pre-determined by a particular belief or orientation.  Some people
> see things only through their beliefs.  If the facts don't coincide
> with the beliefs, the facts are deemed not pertinent.  I have a problem
> with that whether the person doing so happens to have a liberal or
> conservative orientation to things.  It seems to me that one's beliefs
> should be informed--and even changed when need be--by the facts
>
> No one has ever been able to demonstrate to me that NPR or PBS swings
> one way or the other.  It appears to me that--more than any other
> domestic media organization I can think of--public radio and television
> are devoted to getting the facts.  Recognizing, of course, that we are
> all a product of our experiences, this is always an imperfect exercise
> regardless. But I see a genuine attempt to get to the core of matters
> unimpeded by the overriding need to sell the soap...or the beer..or the
> party or whatever primary imperative drives the others.
>
> If the facts don't comport with a particular preconception, some tend
> to denigrate and even demonize the source of those facts.  By doing so,
> they apparently hope to discredit the facts without having to actually
> deal with them in an intellectually honest manner.  Sadly, this
> technique works too well too often.  But for those who are honest, the
> facts remain until they themselves are disproven.  They don't change
> because someone doesn't like the person(s) who presented them.
>
> Enough for now.  I hope I've been responsive to some extent.
>
> John
>
>
> On May 4, 2005, at 5:41 PM, David Goren wrote:
>
>> Well John, it seems as if you were right, when it comes to backing up
>> the charge that NPR is a hotbed of socialism, many critics fall 
>> silent.
>>
>> But hey, as a producer of public radio programming myself, I've got
>> plenty of time on my hands living on the public dime. Even I can think
>> of a reason that many people have the impression that NPR swings way 
>> to
>> the left...many reporters, editor's etc. flow into NPR from the ranks
>> of Pacifica Radio which is an unabashed lefty organization. Do you
>> think it's possible for these people to leave their agendas behind 
>> once
>> they join NPR?
>>
>> David
>>
>>
>>
>> On May 4, 2005, at 3:48 PM, John Figliozzi wrote:
>>
>>> Did you mean "does not have" instead of "has"?  Otherwise, your
>>> meaning
>>> escapes me..
>>>
>>> On May 4, 2005, at 3:05 PM, Scott Royall wrote:
>>>
>>>> John,
>>>>
>>>> You may be stunned to read that everyone has the time and 
>>>> inclination
>>>> to
>>>> indulge in academic discussion. It may seem sad but it's true.
>>>>
>>>> Scott
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
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>>>> Figliozzi
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 11:40 AM
>>>> To: Shortwave programming discussion
>>>> Subject: Re: [Swprograms] CPB meddling
>>>>
>>>> Well, let's keep this thread going.  Please give me concrete 
>>>> examples
>>>> of the "left wing propaganda" and "leftist social agenda" of which
>>>> you
>>>> speak.
>>>>
>>>> If you're going to make sweeping generalizations like this, you
>>>> should
>>>> not be surprised if someone asks you to cite specifics.  My
>>>> experience
>>>> with this sort of thing is that people usually can't back up
>>>> statements
>>>> like these and tend to ignore requests for clarification like this;
>>>> but
>>>> I'm counting on you surprising me.
>>>>
>>>> Cordially,
>>>> John Figliozzi
>>>>
>>>> On May 2, 2005, at 5:47 AM, Dexter Alexander wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Richard, for the heads up on this issue.
>>>>>
>>>>> I also sent my two cents worth to CPB.  I praised them for their
>>>>> apparent attempt to bring some editorial balance to the left-wing
>>>>> propaganda of PBS and encouraged them to also rein in NPR's leftist
>>>>> social agenda.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks again for your help in making me aware of this issue.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dexter Alexander
>>>>> Somerset, Kentucky
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 8
>>>>> Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 22:53:42 -0400
>>>>> From: Richard Cuff <rdcuff@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Subject: [Swprograms] sorta OT: CPB meddling in PBS editorial 
>>>>> policy
>>>>> To: Shortwave programming discussion <swprograms@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Message-ID: <46f0ad50505011953af2030e@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>>>>
>>>>> See
>>>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/02/arts/television/02public.html?
>>>>> hp&ex=1115006400&en=449e1c9c1177152f&ei=5094&partner=homepage
>>>>> or http://tinyurl.com/c78vm:
>>>>>
>>>>> Now the CPB, under Ken Tomlinson (where have I heard that name
>>>>> before?) wants to influence PBS editorial policy the same way the
>>>>> IBB
>>>>> has attacked the VOA.
>>>>>
>>>>> The implication that there is a correlation between editorial 
>>>>> policy
>>>>> and congressional funding support is troubling.
>>>>>
>>>>> The CPB has a web form for public comment available at
>>>>> http://www.cpb.org/talktous/.  I sent them my two cents' worth; I
>>>>> suggest others contact them if this development concerns you (or if
>>>>> it
>>>>> doesn't).
>>>>>
>>>>> Richard Cuff / Allentown, PA  USA
>>>>>
>>>>>
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