Re: [IRCA] Opinions requested on documenting station swaps

[Russ Edmunds <wb2bjh@xxxxxxxxx>]

Since you've raised a new question, I'll respond. I don't count power/pattern changes. Mostly this is so because there's no easy way to identify them all, and good way to design criteria to be reasonable. If a semi-local goes from semi-regular to pest status, so what ? If a local changes and I can't even tell the difference, why should I count it twice ? And so on. 

To me that's just way too much work.


Russ Edmunds
15 mi NNW of Philadelphia  
Grid FN20id
<wb2bjh@xxxxxxxxx>
FM: Yamaha T-80 & Onkyo T-450RDS w/ APS9B @15'; Grundig G8
AM:  Modified Sony ICF 2010's barefoot


--- On Tue, 1/18/11, satya@xxxxxxxxxxxx <satya@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> From: satya@xxxxxxxxxxxx <satya@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [IRCA] Opinions requested on documenting station swaps
> To: irca@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Date: Tuesday, January 18, 2011, 10:17 AM
> My approach is, I guess, to log the
> actual stick in
> the ground (the tower/antenna) on a given frequency.
>  If the same antenna switches frequency, then for me
> it would be a new station.  However, I treat call
> sign changes about the same way I would treat format
> changes, and note them as sorta cosmetic changes on
> the same station.
> 
> The one thing I am on the fence about is where the
> station gets approval for a pattern and/or power
> change.  For example, KRKO-1380 up here recently went
> to a jillion watts compared to what they were putting
> out before, and have a new tower, transmitter and
> IBOC exciter (sigh...).  Logging them now is a lot
> easier than it was.  For someone in Montana, they
> went from being a tough catch to perhaps a pest. 
> It's as if there is a completely different station
> there from a DXing point of view, yet they have the
> same physical location and frequency.  What to do?
> 
> Kevin S
> Bainbridge Island, WA
> 
> 
> ------- Original Message -------
> From    : Russ Edmunds[mailto:wb2bjh@xxxxxxxxx]
> Sent    : 1/18/2011 5:01:57 AM
> To      : irca@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Cc      : 
> Subject : RE: Re: [IRCA] Opinions requested on
> documenting station swaps
> 
>  To me these are call changes. I note them in my
> logs, ( and would do so again should they change
> again down the road ) but I don't count them in my
> totals.
> 
> I know that others do things differently, but many do
> it this way also.
> 
> At one time, I counted call changes, however I
> realized that as the different calls had no effect on
> my ability to hear the station or not, and the
> facilities were the same, that counting them no
> longer made sense, so I re-did my logs at the time to
> that effect.
> 
> Russ Edmunds
> 15 mi NNW of Philadelphia  
> Grid FN20id
> <wb2bjh@xxxxxxxxx>
> FM: Yamaha T-80 & Onkyo T-450RDS w/ APS9B @15';
> Grundig G8
> AM:  Modified Sony ICF 2010's barefoot
> 
> 
> --- On Tue, 1/18/11, Mike Hawkins
> <michael.d.hawkins@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> 
> > From: Mike Hawkins <michael.d.hawkins@xxxxxxxxx>
> > Subject: [IRCA] Opinions requested on documenting
> station swaps
> > To: "Mailing list for the International Radio Club
> of America" <irca@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Date: Tuesday, January 18, 2011, 3:13 AM
> > I'm playing with radio station
> > history again and I'm doing battle with
> > myself about how to document station swaps.  I'll
> give
> > two examples.
> > 
> > Example #1:  A few years back, KLOC/920/Ceres CA
> > format moved to
> > KVIN/1390/Turlock CA, and the KVIN format moved over
> to
> > KLOC.  The call
> > letters swapped with the format change.  From a
> > listener's perspective, that
> > is a frequency change and the city change is
> transparent to
> > the listener.
> > >From the FCC perspective, its two call letter
> changes
> > for two separate
> > facilities and who cares about the formats.
> > 
> > Example #2:  Recently, KERN/1410/Bakersfield CA
> > swapped formats and call
> > letters with KERI/1180/Wasco CA.  As with example
> #1,
> > the listener finds
> > their favorite station on a new frequency, and the
> city
> > change is
> > transparent.  The FCC sees it as two call letter
> > changes for two facilities.
> > 
> > I'm on the fence and looking for opinions on how this
> > should be properly
> > documented.
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