Re: [IRCA] Favorite reversible beverage?

[Mike Irizarry <michael.irizarry29@xxxxxxxxx>]

i have tried both the dx engineering reversible and the kd9sv (available at
dx engineering). both work well performance wise. i think the kd9sv is
easier to string up because you use a much smaller telephone wire, whereas
the dx engineering uses ladder line. the plus with the dx engineering is
you only need one feed line back to the shack. the kd9sv requires two.
however this can be a plus if you want to phase the reversible and create a
misek type beverage. in terms of phasers, I have used the quantum phasor
and the ncc-1. the quantum works better for mw. however, the new ncc-2 has
filter slots and filters to optimize it for mw. i have not tried this
version but I'm sure it works great.

mike

On Sun, Sep 3, 2017 at 10:58 AM, Mark Pettifor <mark@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> I have a 1000' spool that I'd like to try, so terminating at the east end
> isn't feasible.  I think leaving it non-terminated is best. I wonder... I
> am using the ICE beverage transformer at the near end to go from long wire
> to 50-ohm coax feed into the house, so I'm assuming it can it be terminated
> there (from the wire terminal to ground)?
>
> There is corn in the field now, taller than I am, and I don't see myself
> laying 1000' of wire through that many corn stalks (what a lazy DXer, eh?),
> so I might try running it N/S parallel to the edge for now - to the north
> and south along the field is all family-owned property. I'd move it to the
> field later in the fall after the corn is picked.
>
> I have another almost 1000' length of wire I could use for that, perhaps
> even cutting that into unequal lengths and try the phasing route.
>
>
> On 2017-09-02 9:24 pm, Neil Kazaross wrote:
>
>> OK Tim, this is what I recalled as your DU's come of the back end. You're
>> losing at least a couple dB compared to being fed from the east end. This
>> loss is greater in the upper band and helps explain why your BOGs aren't
>> effective for X-band Aussies.
>>
>> 73 KAZ
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 2, 2017 at 8:13 PM, Tim Tromp <kilokat7@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>> My BOG wires are 400 FT & 500 FT and spaced roughly 1-1/2 to 2 feet apart.
>>> Google Earth tells me the bearing is about 78 / 257 degrees which is 2
>>> degrees off from Sydney.  The wires are fed from the west end and are
>>> left
>>> unterminated at the far end towards the east.  The wires have been
>>> deployed
>>> for several years now and go through dense woods.  I took a walk a few
>>> weeks ago to check on the condition of the wires.  Aside from the first
>>> 10
>>> feet or so, I can't even find the wires anymore in the woods due to the
>>> natural ground covering.  The ultimate high performance stealth antenna!
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Tim
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Sep 2, 2017 at 8:35 PM, Neil Kazaross <neilkaz58@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Tim's setup is what I call a Phased BOG System and it is very
>>> effective.
>>> > Note that the BOG should be at least somewhat different in length
>>> and/or
>>> > direction or you will have the same signal on each BOG from every
>>> direction
>>> > and when you phase you'll null almost everything.
>>> >
>>> > Tim, please tell us how long each BOG is and what exact  bearing (as
>>> close
>>> > as you can tell). 73 and thx .. KAZ
>>> >
>>> > On Sat, Sep 2, 2017 at 7:10 PM, Tim Tromp <kilokat7@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > Hi Mark,
>>> > >
>>> > > I do exactly what you're trying to do by using a pair of
>>> unterminated BOGs
>>> > > (Beverage On the Ground).  The parallel BOG wires (via matching
>>> > > transformers and coax) are connected to a phasing box (such as the
>>> Quantum
>>> > > Phaser by DX Tools).  This will give you east-west reversibility
>>> from the
>>> > > shack with deep nulls.  This is simple to deploy and all the
>>> components are
>>> > > available off the shelf.  As you may have gathered from my DU
>>> reports this
>>> > > week, this setup rocks if you have the space!
>>> > >
>>> > > You may also want to consider a reversible DKAZ or similar terminated
>>> > > loop.  Mark Durenberger has a clever remote controller circuit using
>>> relays
>>> > > and Vactrols to accomplish this.  As far as I know, there's no
>>> > > off-the-shelf solution and you'll have to roll your own like I did
>>> for my
>>> > > north-south reversible DKAZ.
>>> > >
>>> > > 73,
>>> > > Tim Tromp
>>> > > West Michigan
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > On Sat, Sep 2, 2017 at 2:25 PM, Mark Pettifor <mark@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > > > What is your favorite way of implementing a reversible beverage?
>>> > > >
>>> > > > For example, I have a lot of real estate (well, a farmer's field)
>>> to my
>>> > > > east. Normally I'd run a beverage out there and terminate it at
>>> the far
>>> > > > end, making it directional to the East. Using the same layout,
>>> what's the
>>> > > > best way to make it directional to the West?
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Mark Pettifor
>>> > > > Goshen, IN
>>> > > > _______________________________________________
>>> > > > IRCA mailing list
>>> > > > IRCA@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> > > > http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of
>>> the
>>> > > > original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion
>>> of the
>>> > > > IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers
>>> > > >
>>> > > > For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org
>>> > > >
>>> > > > To Post a message: irca@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
> IRCA mailing list
> IRCA@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca
>
> Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the
> original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the
> IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers
>
> For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org
>
> To Post a message: irca@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
>
_______________________________________________
IRCA mailing list
IRCA@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca

Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers

For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org

To Post a message: irca@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx