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Bandcan Logs of 27.3  View Printable Version 
Saturday, April 04 2020

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Covid new 4.4.20 effected today are +60 riaign the number to 1673 , 9 new deaths total 68 of mean age of 74years

https://zliangaslogs.blogspot.com/2020/03/logs-of-273.html
With some hits only:

5140 Charleston once again very early on 1452 with oldies  ID on 1454 the time the jammer was left the frequency . Hover there is a multi carrier system that hinders a bit reception . Nice to listen to the so early -!  However on 4700  there is noting still from Mystery 21 [picture ]

5895  talks in Hindi or same language 1506 the time a very wide (15kkhz )stanag 4825 type was soflty washing the band raising the  -120 dbm noise by 10 db on a signal of -78dbm   . Program consist of discussions between man and woman . Short (2 sec ) music intervals  >>IBRA via Uzbekistan per eibi

5915 Vatican? Talks in Tamil as signal is rather poor  with talks that continue after the ToH without any ID .Tamil song on 1503  -78dbm  

6010 fana free from  any QRM station on 1647 wthi Horn Africa songs

6025 PBS Xizang 1055 -1805 with only songs till the end of transmission . Sudden sign off 1805 while a  women was speaking -85dbm

6030 Oromiya 1555 with -98dbm heard difficult under a DRM signal coming from CNR . Rumania is then on the frequency


6090 Amara Radio 1548 talks  (news )in Amharic with only -80dbm . Severe QRM from 6095 CRI English of -54dbm Also long talks in coronavirus … another station under.. Better reception on 1553 using only LSB

6130  TWR for sure 1840 with local languages towards Angola . eibi readme file shows Chokwe . Heard religious talks with mentions on Jesus etc -80dbm

6210.2 supposedly kahuzi 1809 with a very poo signal -100dbm  and Good modulation however does not help in listening the signal except of showing some modulation Partial reception with only 900Hz !!! Left on 1811
 [picture ]


9740 KBS in Spanish 1818 with talks having a rather funny QRM from a ‘multicarrier’  signal> talks on a festival cinematografico  Signal up to -65dbm


11640 Dabanga 1530 and then ID by man talking in Sudanese Arabic or Oromo -86db neart to signal .There is a  fence carrier 16 0khz below the main carrier part of the unknown as I call ‘signal fence’  thatc overs the range between 10.8-11.9 MHz

11680 KCBS Pyongyang 1542 with operas songs -88dbm signal Partial qrm from ‘the fence’ carrier in 11679.5kHz  of -106 dbm  


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Glenn Hauser logs April 3-4, 2020  View Printable Version 
Saturday, April 04 2020

Logs
DX/SWL/MEDIA PROGRAMS
fully updated for A-20 and DST seasons:
http://www.worldofradio.com/dxpgms.html

** ARGENTINA [non]. 9395, April 3 at 2113, the ``Italian`` hour of RAE
via WRMI has W&M in French discussion, presumably substitute for real
programming; 2116 music break; 2118 into English with Fernando
recording from home, always off-the-cuff but maybe same thing we have
heard before; music, at 2123 over to Chinese YL, as presumably they
are running thru all 8 languages during the hour (Glenn Hauser, OK,
WOR)

** CUBA [and non]. 13605, April 3 at 1429, almost a week into A-20,
now some jamming is becoming audible vs Radio Martí, and there is
still some residual jamming on ex-13820 (Glenn Hauser, OK, WOR)

** CZECHIA [non]. 5800, April 4 at 0159, Radio Prague closing in
English, WRMI Spanish ID, 0200 a minute of music in English until cut
off the air at 0201*. System H sked shows RPI English daily 0130 also
on 9395.

That`s where Radio Tirana used to be, but why bother if they can`t get
their new English programs (if any?) to WRMI. Furthermore, the only
time left for Tirana, 2030 on 15770, now shows Mon-Thu only, no longer
Sat as I had recently mentioned, that replaced by something else. See
next TAIWAN [non] (Glenn Hauser, OK, WOR)

** NORTH AMERICA. 6960-AM, April 4 at 0204, pirate music at S9+10,
0207 YL ID with bowling ball SFX, ``Ballsmacker Radio, 69-60-AM``. New
website is https://ballsmacker.net/ from ``somewhere in the
northeast``. More logs here:
https://www.hfunderground.com/board/index.php/topic,65023.0.html
After checking other bands, by 0220 this one is off (Glenn Hauser, OK,
WOR)

** NORTH AMERICA. 4176-USB, April 4 at 0213, rock music, 0215 DJ hard
to copy but mentions Mix Radio doing something; ``under the stars``
which points to previous log of X-FM on 4175-USB. 0220 ``This is the
Pirate Radio Relay League`` with beeps and off at 0221*. More logs:
https://www.hfunderground.com/board/index.php/topic,65029.0.html
(Glenn Hauser, OK, WOR)

** NORTH AMERICA. 6965-AM, April 4 at 0222, JBA carrier not noticed
earlier with Ballsmacker on 6960. No FRW logs of this one (Glenn
Hauser, OK, WOR)

** NORTH AMERICA. 6934.9-AM, April 4 at 0223, JBA music, seems a bit
more mod on LSB than USB, and the carrier may be reduced. Off by 0227.
Some logs here say it was Captain Morgan Shortwave, 6934.86:
https://www.hfunderground.com/board/index.php/topic,65027.0.html
(Glenn Hauser, OK, WOR)

** OKLAHOMA. As if we don`t have enough problems already, earthquaxe
are hitting Enid, two of them this Friday. First a brief shake at
2235:39 UT. USGS soon showed but kept revising it; take your pick:

https://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/map/

M 3.9 - 15km E of Enid, Oklahoma
IV DYFI? [did you feel it? --- yes!]
Time 2020-04-03 22:35:30 (UTC)
Location 36.379°N 97.721°W
Depth 1.1 km

M 3.7 - 15km E of Enid, Oklahoma
VI DYFI?
Time 2020-04-03 22:35:29 (UTC)
Location 36.374°N 97.721°W
Depth 5.0 km

M 3.6
15km E of Enid, Oklahoma
2020-04-03 22:35:29 (UTC)
5.0 km deep

The second one, a heftier shock just as I am writing this report: UT
Sat April 4 at 0333:16 UT. First USGS report says:

3.8
14km E of Enid, Oklahoma
2020-04-04 03:33:08 (UTC)
3.4 km

M 3.8 - 14km E of Enid, Oklahoma
Time 2020-04-04 03:33:08 (UTC)
Location 36.374°N 97.721°W
Depth 3.4 km

And as I am watching it, changes to:

M 4.0
14km E of Enid, Oklahoma
2020-04-04 03:33:08 (UTC)
1.2 km

By final recheck at 0413 UT:
M 3.7
14km E of Enid, Oklahoma
2020-04-04 03:33:08 (UTC)
5.0 km

Note that by my WWV timing there have been delays of 8-10 seconds from
epicenter 14-15 km away, to hitting here. About 1 second margin of
error. That`s equivalent to 1 mile per second, or 3600 mph.

Furthermore, our quaxe are the only ones on the recent map anywhere in
central or eastern USA! OK had been relatively quiet with crackdowns
on fracking. No RF effects noted, but by prerogative I include local
EQ reports with my logs (Glenn Hauser, Enid OK, WOR)

** SWAZILAND. 9585, April 3 at 1453, TWR IS & ID, immediately
recognizable music-box even tho only S1, in the Malgache service about
to start. Or rather as described under SOUTH AFRICA in WRTH 2020 page
489: ```Last bar of `We`ve a Story to Tell the Nations``, played on
hand bells``` (Glenn Hauser, OK, WOR)

** TAIWAN [non]. 9395 >> // 7780 // 5010, UT Sat April 4 at 0201,
following WORLD OF RADIO on the last two: Radio Taiwán Internacional
replaying for the n-th time the special test in Spanish of 18 March.
Presumably by April 6 there will be new shows each night. WRMI System
H sked claims this is on 5010 & 5800! But 5800 had just turned off as
at CZECHIA [non] (Glenn Hauser, OK, WOR)

** TURKEY. 9830, April 3 at 2206, another bust by VOT English to North
America -- nothing but RTTY from NAU PR; and still no VOT at 2225.
Something`s always erroneous at Emirler (Glenn Hauser, OK, WOR)

** U S A [and non]. WORLD OF RADIO 2028 monitoring: confirmed first US
SWBC, Friday April 3 at 2200 on WRMI 9955; S9 but rating only
poor-fair, without jamming just general noise level and fading.

Also confirmed UT Saturday April 4 at 0130 on WRMIs first all via
Alexandria KiwiSDR, 5010, 7780, 5850; At 0144 here, 7780 = 5010 both
poor, and 5850 VG S9+30/40. Next:

0900 UT Saturday Unique Radio NSW 5045-USB or 3210
[resumes April 11]
1130 UT Saturday WRMI 9955 [new] to SSE
1300 UT Saturday WRMI 15770 to NE
1930vUT Saturday WA0RCR 1860-AM
0300vUT Sunday WA0RCR 1860-AM [nominal 0315]
0900 UT Sunday Unique Radio NSW 5045-USB or 3210
0130 UT Monday WRMI 7780 to NE
0130.5 UT Monday WRMI 9395 to NNW, 5800 to SSE [March 23 not 30; ??]
0230 UT Monday WRMI 7780 to NE
0300vUT Monday WBCQ 5130v Area 51 to WSW
0330 UT Monday WRMI 9955 to SSE
0900 UT Monday Unique Radio NSW 5045-USB or 3210
1800vUT Monday IRRS 7290 Romania? to WNW
0100 UT Tuesday WRMI 7780 to NE
2100 UT Wednesday WBCQ 7490v to WSW
0100 UT Thursday WRMI 7780 to NE

Full schedule including AM, FM, webcasts, satellite, podcasts:
http://www.worldofradio.com/radioskd.html
(Glenn Hauser, OK, WOR)

UNIDENTIFIED. Trans-Atlantic JBA MW carrier search April 3 at 0536 for
the next few minutes; method: 100-foot E-W longwire into R-75 set at
9-kHz steps, tuning USB 1 kHz below each frequency to detect 1 kHz
het, however weak. Preamps off to minimize overload on MW.

531, 549, 558(2), 603, 612, 621, 657*, 684+, 693(2), 711*, 729, 747,
774(2), 837, 882, 891**, 909, 936(2), 1026, 1044, 1098, 1107, 1116,
1125(2), 1134, 1152, 1179, 1215, 1296, 1305(2), 1314, 1422, 1476,
1503, 1539, 1566, 1575.

*657 is unusual, probably Spain or Italy, usually blocked by WSCR
IBOC; a bit of auroral weakening it, or off? As 710.0 unusually
dominated by the on-frequency Rebelde, and yes still with that carrier
on 711 which is not TA; no beat on it detected this time. **891
strongest of all, no doubt Algeria. (2)=at least two carriers beating
a few Hz apart (Glenn Hauser, OK, WOR)

This report dispatched at 0429 UT April 4
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Monitoring Logs 26-3  View Printable Version 
Friday, April 03 2020

Logs
Logs 26-3

3.4.20 virus news   
99 more effected into a total of 1613 members. 6 more deaths or 59 in total of 71 years mean age 10 of them are women . 11 were resolved  A few places will be closed with quarantine on 8 pm -2 pm . and a few new buildings will be used for the service of patients. And  to stop traffic the date of Easter as well as tolls . someone made a application for the SMS required to allow moving isnde the city. while another used plastic sheets to make shields for hospitals

The logs :  https://zliangaslogs.blogspot.com/2020/03/logs-26-3.html

11530 Denge welat 1111using Persian Kurdish version is mixed with Denge Erdogan . Bioth signal are mixed in away that in 80% of the time welat wins the signal level  battle. There was also refence to Sulaiman Demirel Signal  differences are around 110 Hz as can be shown in the picture below
[picture]
 
11565 link 11 bursts on 1121 with level -75 dbm max
11745 S Arabia al azm 1125 with phone in report, akhbar [news ]program athat seems talking on ‘virus corona’  as it  was noticed. Unclear recorded ID on 1130  Arabic song of 70s after -80dbm
11780 RRom Intl in French talks in 1151 a crazy rock song on 1153 ID on 1156 and end of the program -56dbm 9 kHz wide no QSB
11790 CNR/CRI   with sudden start on 1157 after unknown time of carrier startup huangjiou buxing guangbo  that is adverts ,  many time used throughout the program ana das ID -73dbm
15100 Kontayner OTHR 0949 with -114-/-130dbm
15120 BSKSA with Islamic talks 1000 supposedly Bengali as per wibi but most is in arabic -90-/-130dbm
15130  CRI Indo heard music on 1009 nearly marginal signal at -102/-130dbm Voices on 1015 are lost in the noise dust… Ïff1027
15150 CNR jammer against VoA 1028 adverts , the hymn the east ids red then with news . VOA is not heard -95dbm
15275 DW 1230+ talks in Swahili , 1240 back again hearing ID as DW and a hilife song. –‘sawte … ‘ with talks by YL . 1042 talking  to Christmas (?) and moderation signal -75/-130dbm with 2x3.5  khz wide audio
15380 CNR 1058 talks . One of the very scarce signals to listen -100dbm
15390 CNR 13 UIghur ;long time to listen in this frequency with 2x7.5 kHz wide audio though the best is on 6 kHz range. A jazz type Uighur song (!) Two girls with very nice voices are discussing on these songs they play ! 1252 airing a Turkic folky rock song -75dbm max //Usall I use this station as band beacon for more than 15 years .Adverts on 1055 Off 1057
 [IMG]

15440 CRI in Cantonese 1059 mentioning the station . CRI Id 1100 with program in CC .Signa -85dbm
15480 VoTurkey steady signal at -74/-120dbm lowering to -85 to 90 dbm Man in Turkish talking on Shakespeare on 1104 mixed with classical music  . more talks on Shakespeare for the succeeding 4 minutes
15512 a new Kontayner OTHR signal  with -105dbm of 15 kHz bandwidth ..Also on 15672 center
15770 WRMI very early for here 1203 seem religious program and seems hearing the well known ToM preist ..

Áëóï

9540 IBRA 1639 mostly HoA religious songs mixed with short talks in Amharic -70dbm with 8 khz wde
5140  Charleston heard quite eearly at 1640 with 50s songs -85dbm
7178 CIS 12  áô 1650 with -91dbm
6400 Pyongyang pangsong 1655 very poor at +9dbm signal low modulation and Korean operas marginally heard !

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Fw: Saudi Arabia log April 3rd.  View Printable Version 
Friday, April 03 2020

Logs


Log Saudi Arabia various outlets at 15.00 to 15.35 UT this April 3rd.

Taken in Germany, Switzerland, Greece, and Qatar remotedly.

SAUDI ARABIA
11745even ARS Army Radio Jeddah towards Saudi Army in Yemen civil war.
S=9+10dB in Germany at 15.00 UT.

11859.965 ARS Voice of Excile Yemen Radio, Arabic-Yemeni lang in Germany
remotedly S=9+10dB also. HQ prayer sung, at 15.05 UT on April 3.
Tiny underneath Radio Marti US Spanish to Cuba via Greenville NC

17615.065 ARS in HFCC.org database as 190 degrees to Ce and all-Africa,
but S=9+25dB powerful here in Switzerland at 15.10 UT.
SBA via MOCI Riyadh-ARS Saudi HQ program pray.
9885 kHz ARS SBA via MOCI Riyadh-ARS, Turkmen service NOT ON AIR,<<<<<<
empty at 15.12 UT on April 3.
13710.014 ARS SBA via MOCI Riyadh-ARS Saudi HQ program pray. S=9+35dB at
15.15 UTC on April 3.
17660 kHz ARS SBA via MOCI Riyadh-ARS, Radio Saudi International in
French 14-16 UT requested, BUT NOT ON AIR ! <<<<<<<<<<<<
7240even ARS Radio Saudi International in Persian, 13.57-17.57 UT
requested, at 15.18 UT S=9+15dB in Athens Greece remote SDR.
9695even ARS Radio Saudi International in Pashto language,
13.58-15.57 UT, S=9+10dB towards AFG / PAK target, in Athens
Greece remote SDR. But audio feed quality was very bad,
noted distorted at 15.20 UT on April 3, like war field
phone line from Pak/Afg mountain location ?
9650.041 ARS Arabic sce, of BSKSA 1st from Riyadh center, S=9+20dB
strength noted in Athens Greece, 15.22 UT, and poor tiny
signal underneath from R Guinea Conakry, West Africa.
9790.033 ARS Arabic sce, of BSKSA 1st from Riyadh center, S=6
poor signal strength noted in Athens Greece, 15.26 UT.
Poor southwards signal of non-directional? antenna to
Saudi / ME subcontinent ?
15225.015 ARS SBA via MOCI Riyadh-ARS Saudi 1st Arabic sce program.
Talk program, S=9+5dB in Germany at 15.27 UTC on April 3.
15434.986 ARS SBA via MOCI Riyadh-ARS Saudi 1st Arabic sce program.
Talk program, S=9+50dB MUCH POWERHOUSE at 15.30 UT April 3
in Germany and Switzerland remote Perseis SDR's.

[selected SDR options, span 12.5 kHz RBW 15.3 Hertz]
(wb df5sx, wwdxc BC-DX TopNews April 3)


----- Original Message -----
From: "Wolfgang Bueschel"


Sent: Friday, April 03, 2020 1:03 PM
Subject: Re: [HCDX] Saudi Arabia log April 3rd.
Log Saudi Arabia various outlets at 09.50 to 10.30 UT this April 3rd.

Taken in Greece, Qatar, Delhi, and Hiroshima and Tokyo Japan remotedly.

SAUDI ARABIA
11935.044 HQ prayer via Riyadh at 09.50 UT, S=9+15dB,
CRI Russian 11935even underneath.
17615.018 HQ prayer via Riyadh at 09.53 UT, S=9+15dB in Greece,
S=9+40dB in Delhi India, S=6 in Hiroshima & Tokyo.
17804.981 SBA via MOCI Riyadh-ARS, 1st Arabic sce, spoken! sermon in Arabic,
S=9+30dB at 09.55 UT on April 3rd.
15120.006 SBA via MOCI Riyadh-ARS in Urdu language to South Asian
subcontinent S=9+20dB at 10.15 UT heard in Delhi India.

11744.998 ARS Army Radio Jeddah towards Saudi army in Yemen civil war.
S=7 poor at 10.07 UT in Athens Greece.

11859.965 ARS Probably also via Jeddah site at this hour ? S=7 poor signal
at 10.09 UT noted Voice of Excile Yemen Radio, Arabic-Yemeni lang
in Greece remotedly.
Heard also mention 'Yemen' many times.

13780even EMPTY carrier only at 10.10 UT, and 13780.017 Utility sce noted
also.

13610.007 UNID fair S=8 signal noted in Delhi India, sounds more like
CNR1 service from Nanning-China mainland.

Nothing noted on requested 13610, 15490, 17570, nor INS px on 21670 kHz.

[selected SDR options, span 12.5 kHz RBW 15.3 Hertz]
(wb df5sx, wwdxc BC-DX TopNews April 3)


THAILAND 17849.996 Excellent (western world) music program of
Radio Thailand Bangkok, via AGM United States Agency for Global Media
(USAGM) Udorn Thani, US South East Asian relay site.
Requested 10-11 UT, noted at 10.28 UT, S=8-9 in Hiroshima / Tokyo remotedly.

[selected SDR options, span 12.5 kHz RBW 15.3 Hertz]
(wb df5sx, wwdxc BC-DX TopNews April 3)


----- Original Message -----
From: "Wolfgang Bueschel"


Sent: Friday, April 03, 2020 12:29 AM
Subject: Re: [HCDX] [WOR] Saudi Arabia

at 22.00 UT April 2nd
no ARS services on the SW bands on air. 73 wb

----- Original Message -----
From: "burbage45 via groups.io"


Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2020 6:00 PM
Subject: [WOR] Saudi Arabia


Re Saudi Arabia via Glenn >>>>>

Nothing after 2300, but B19 scheduled to start at 0200: 7410; from
0230: 9800; all these from 0300, mostly but not all in Arabic: 9580,
9675, 9835, 11710, 12025, 13650, 13660, 15170, 15220, 17760, 17895,
21665. Is anyone hearing any of these? Nothing at UTwente on 7410 by
0216 April 2. Jeff White says Sa`udis did not attend A-20 HFCC in KL
Malaysia, but have not withdrawn from the organisation
(Glenn Hauser, OK, WOR>>>>>>

I haven't tried any of these frequencies, but at 1545UTC I can hear 17615,
15435, a weak 15225, 13710 but not 17815 - otherwise as per B19 schhed in
the WRTH>
Noel R. Green in NW UK


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Saudi Arabia log April 3rd.  View Printable Version 
Friday, April 03 2020

Logs


Log Saudi Arabia various outlets at 09.50 to 10.30 UT this April 3rd.

Taken in Greece, Qatar, Delhi, and Hiroshima and Tokyo Japan remotedly.

SAUDI ARABIA
11935.044 HQ prayer via Riyadh at 09.50 UT, S=9+15dB,
CRI Russian 11935even underneath.
17615.018 HQ prayer via Riyadh at 09.53 UT, S=9+15dB in Greece,
S=9+40dB in Delhi India, S=6 in Hiroshima & Tokyo.
17804.981 SBA via MOCI Riyadh-ARS, 1st Arabic sce, spoken! sermon in Arabic,
S=9+30dB at 09.55 UT on April 3rd.
15120.006 SBA via MOCI Riyadh-ARS in Urdu language to South Asian
subcontinent S=9+20dB at 10.15 UT heard in Delhi India.

11744.998 ARS Army Radio Jeddah towards Saudi army in Yemen civil war.
S=7 poor at 10.07 UT in Athens Greece.

11859.965 ARS Probably also via Jeddah site at this hour ? S=7 poor signal
at 10.09 UT noted Voice of Excile Yemen Radio, Arabic-Yemeni lang
in Greece remotedly.
Heard also mention 'Yemen' many times.

13780even EMPTY carrier only at 10.10 UT, and 13780.017 Utility sce noted
also.

13610.007 UNID fair S=8 signal noted in Delhi India, sounds more like
CNR1 service from Nanning-China mainland.

Nothing noted on requested 13610, 15490, 17570, nor INS px on 21670 kHz.

[selected SDR options, span 12.5 kHz RBW 15.3 Hertz]
(wb df5sx, wwdxc BC-DX TopNews April 3)


THAILAND 17849.996 Excellent (western world) music program of
Radio Thailand Bangkok, via AGM United States Agency for Global Media
(USAGM) Udorn Thani, US South East Asian relay site.
Requested 10-11 UT, noted at 10.28 UT, S=8-9 in Hiroshima / Tokyo remotedly.

[selected SDR options, span 12.5 kHz RBW 15.3 Hertz]
(wb df5sx, wwdxc BC-DX TopNews April 3)


----- Original Message -----
From: "Wolfgang Bueschel"


Sent: Friday, April 03, 2020 12:29 AM
Subject: Re: [HCDX] [WOR] Saudi Arabia


at 22.00 UT April 2nd
no ARS services on the SW bands on air. 73 wb

----- Original Message -----
From: "burbage45 via groups.io"


Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2020 6:00 PM
Subject: [WOR] Saudi Arabia

at 22.00 UT April 2nd
no ARS services on the SW bands on air. 73 wb

----- Original Message -----
From: "burbage45 via groups.io" Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2020 6:00 PM


Subject: [WOR] Saudi Arabia


Re Saudi Arabia via Glenn >>>>>

Nothing after 2300, but B19 scheduled to start at 0200: 7410; from
0230: 9800; all these from 0300, mostly but not all in Arabic: 9580,
9675, 9835, 11710, 12025, 13650, 13660, 15170, 15220, 17760, 17895,
21665. Is anyone hearing any of these? Nothing at UTwente on 7410 by
0216 April 2. Jeff White says Sa`udis did not attend A-20 HFCC in KL
Malaysia, but have not withdrawn from the organisation
(Glenn Hauser, OK, WOR>>>>>>

I haven't tried any of these frequencies, but at 1545UTC I can hear 17615,
15435, a weak 15225, 13710 but not 17815 - otherwise as per B19 schhed in
the WRTH>
Noel R. Green in NW UK

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