I'd expect that to work. However, the issue is that you probably had
considerably more signal period on the amped BOG, so you need to attenuate
it to get a back null.

Ideally with these Phased BOG Systems you're looking to null back end QRM
while not reducing forward DX and hopefully the forward DX can actually
gain a couple dB signal from the combination of two antennas.

Here's an example, using the Quantum Phaser, (forgive me, Nick and Colin,
but I cannot get your phaser to work this well here and will wrap it back
up and take to P.O Saturday) KYW blasting in with 1062 TA carrier.
Reversing phase just about killed KYW to reveal XEEP and the TA carrier was
also basically gone. Mini-BOGs aimed 32 deg. 73 KAZ Barrington IL

On Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 10:39 PM Volodya S <canswl@gmail.com> wrote:

> Bill the main amplified BoG was about 750â long, while the parallel shorter
> non-amplified BoG was about 600â long with the feed about 50â from the
> primary, and the unterminated end about 100â from the end of the primary
> BoG. 73, Walt
>
> On Monday, January 7, 2019, Neil Kazaross <neilkaz58@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Here are Bill's loggings with this. I've never seen these higher band
> > Mexicans reported from that far east on regional channels in this day and
> > age. http://realmonitor.com/am_logs_chinquapin.php
> >
> > Walt, approx, how long were your two wires? Here in IL a mini-PBS is
> giving
> > me good results for TA's all I have is about 290 ft // 190 ft. With lots
> of
> > work, maybe I could add a couple dozen feet. 73 KAZ
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 6, 2019 at 11:55 PM Volodya S <canswl@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Bill, my phased array was similarly about 1.3 to 1, but more like about
> > 5'
> > > apart. Results were occasionally very interesting, but in the end, I
> > > didn't use it very much (too much happening during TP openings). One
> > down
> > > side was that the shorter BoG was not amplified compared to the longer
> > one,
> > > so I sensed this made a big difference in decreasing the efficacy.
> > Perhaps
> > > I'm wrong on that. I also don't necessarily have much to the rear of
> the
> > > NW BoG once daylight breaks to my east. I suspect, perhaps that a
> > phased N
> > > Beverage might be more interesting, especially if it can help with
> > splatter
> > > from the rear! 73, Walt
> > >
> > > On Sun, Dec 30, 2018 at 9:02 PM bill [his.com] <bw@his.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > The âsystemâ Kaz uses is two wires of dis-similar length [ratio of ~
> > > > 1.3:1] spaced about an arms length apart. Works really well and can
> be
> > > > surprisingly wide-band with a phaser. I used to use a 350â & 500â
> set
> > > in a
> > > > park nearby.
> > > >
> > > > ---
> > > >
> > > > > On Dec 30, 2018, at 3:59 PM, Volodya S <canswl@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Chuck, I didnât erect any DU wires this time. The Aussies were
> heard
> > on
> > > > the
> > > > > NE BoG so no promises. Iâv Just set up // BoGs to experiment with a
> > > > phaser.
> > > > > 73, Walt
> >
> >
> >
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Neil, I suspect that that was the case with my experiment. With the
shorter wire, and unamplified, no wonder the signal was too different in
strengths to get it to work properly. This will be a good spring/summer
experiment when I won't need to erect the N Beverage at all, freeing up
another amplifier. Do you feel there's any difference in the width between
// BoGs? Also, would a stagger work any different than // wires with the
shorter one being between the start/end of the longer wire? 73, Walt

On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 5:05 AM Neil Kazaross <neilkaz58@gmail.com> wrote:

> I'd expect that to work. However, the issue is that you probably had
> considerably more signal period on the amped BOG, so you need to attenuate
> it to get a back null.
>
> Ideally with these Phased BOG Systems you're looking to null back end QRM
> while not reducing forward DX and hopefully the forward DX can actually
> gain a couple dB signal from the combination of two antennas.
>
> Here's an example, using the Quantum Phaser, (forgive me, Nick and Colin,
> but I cannot get your phaser to work this well here and will wrap it back
> up and take to P.O Saturday) KYW blasting in with 1062 TA carrier.
> Reversing phase just about killed KYW to reveal XEEP and the TA carrier was
> also basically gone. Mini-BOGs aimed 32 deg. 73 KAZ Barrington IL
>
> On Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 10:39 PM Volodya S <canswl@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Bill the main amplified BoG was about 750â long, while the parallel
> shorter
> > non-amplified BoG was about 600â long with the feed about 50â from the
> > primary, and the unterminated end about 100â from the end of the primary
> > BoG. 73, Walt
> >
> > On Monday, January 7, 2019, Neil Kazaross <neilkaz58@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Here are Bill's loggings with this. I've never seen these higher band
> > > Mexicans reported from that far east on regional channels in this day
> and
> > > age. http://realmonitor.com/am_logs_chinquapin.php
> > >
> > > Walt, approx, how long were your two wires? Here in IL a mini-PBS is
> > giving
> > > me good results for TA's all I have is about 290 ft // 190 ft. With
> lots
> > of
> > > work, maybe I could add a couple dozen feet. 73 KAZ
> > >
> > > On Sun, Jan 6, 2019 at 11:55 PM Volodya S <canswl@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Bill, my phased array was similarly about 1.3 to 1, but more like
> about
> > > 5'
> > > > apart. Results were occasionally very interesting, but in the end,
> I
> > > > didn't use it very much (too much happening during TP openings). One
> > > down
> > > > side was that the shorter BoG was not amplified compared to the
> longer
> > > one,
> > > > so I sensed this made a big difference in decreasing the efficacy.
> > > Perhaps
> > > > I'm wrong on that. I also don't necessarily have much to the rear of
> > the
> > > > NW BoG once daylight breaks to my east. I suspect, perhaps that a
> > > phased N
> > > > Beverage might be more interesting, especially if it can help with
> > > splatter
> > > > from the rear! 73, Walt
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Dec 30, 2018 at 9:02 PM bill [his.com] <bw@his.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > The âsystemâ Kaz uses is two wires of dis-similar length [ratio of
> ~
> > > > > 1.3:1] spaced about an arms length apart. Works really well and
> can
> > be
> > > > > surprisingly wide-band with a phaser. I used to use a 350â & 500â
> > set
> > > > in a
> > > > > park nearby.
> > > > >
> > > > > ---
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Dec 30, 2018, at 3:59 PM, Volodya S <canswl@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Chuck, I didnât erect any DU wires this time. The Aussies were
> > heard
> > > on
> > > > > the
> > > > > > NE BoG so no promises. Iâv Just set up // BoGs to experiment
> with a
> > > > > phaser.
> > > > > > 73, Walt
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Easy answer â

Your sample Lankford-Misek-Ratzlaff phaser
Does not have actual matched 50 ohm potentiometers in the âfineâ controls â
They are âfakedâ 50âs using fixed resistors across the POT - which results in squirrelly, unpredictable or unstable nulls.

All M-L-R PHASERS âsoldâ since that beta was built have ceramic or wire wound pots built and deployed like Lankford made his.

Dallas Lankford described his 2007 Phaser as the best one ever - which is why Nick, Steve and I improved on it - making it significantly superior to the clunky Quantum Phaser and massively less expensive than the Cadillac-Tank DX-engineering Phaser.

And with this e-mail, Iâll expect pedantic pencil pointing, finger waving and demands to see schematics and exact details on all changes.

Iâm currently building 6 more simultaneously.

Iâm specifically not selling them to âgotta have one / gotta shelve one...â they are for active DXERS actually posting regularly on IRCA or one of the other clubs.

Iâll take questions now.

Colin Newell - Victoria - B.C. CANADA -

>>
>>
>> Here's an example, using the Quantum Phaser, (forgive me, Nick and Colin,
>> but I cannot get your phaser to work this well here and will wrap it back
>> up and take to P.O Saturday) KYW blasting in with 1062 TA carrier.
>> Reversing phase just about killed KYW to reveal XEEP and the TA carrier was
>> also basically gone. Mini-BOGs aimed 32 deg. 73 KAZ Barrington IL
>>
>

Bill the main amplified BoG was about 750â long, while the parallel shorter
non-amplified BoG was about 600â long with the feed about 50â from the
primary, and the unterminated end about 100â from the end of the primary
BoG. 73, Walt

On Monday, January 7, 2019, Neil Kazaross <neilkaz58@gmail.com> wrote:

> Here are Bill's loggings with this. I've never seen these higher band
> Mexicans reported from that far east on regional channels in this day and
> age. http://realmonitor.com/am_logs_chinquapin.php
>
> Walt, approx, how long were your two wires? Here in IL a mini-PBS is giving
> me good results for TA's all I have is about 290 ft // 190 ft. With lots of
> work, maybe I could add a couple dozen feet. 73 KAZ
>
> On Sun, Jan 6, 2019 at 11:55 PM Volodya S <canswl@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Bill, my phased array was similarly about 1.3 to 1, but more like about
> 5'
> > apart. Results were occasionally very interesting, but in the end, I
> > didn't use it very much (too much happening during TP openings). One
> down
> > side was that the shorter BoG was not amplified compared to the longer
> one,
> > so I sensed this made a big difference in decreasing the efficacy.
> Perhaps
> > I'm wrong on that. I also don't necessarily have much to the rear of the
> > NW BoG once daylight breaks to my east. I suspect, perhaps that a
> phased N
> > Beverage might be more interesting, especially if it can help with
> splatter
> > from the rear! 73, Walt
> >
> > On Sun, Dec 30, 2018 at 9:02 PM bill [his.com] <bw@his.com> wrote:
> >
> > > The âsystemâ Kaz uses is two wires of dis-similar length [ratio of ~
> > > 1.3:1] spaced about an arms length apart. Works really well and can be
> > > surprisingly wide-band with a phaser. I used to use a 350â & 500â set
> > in a
> > > park nearby.
> > >
> > > ---
> > >
> > > > On Dec 30, 2018, at 3:59 PM, Volodya S <canswl@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Chuck, I didnât erect any DU wires this time. The Aussies were heard
> on
> > > the
> > > > NE BoG so no promises. Iâv Just set up // BoGs to experiment with a
> > > phaser.
> > > > 73, Walt
>
>
>

I'd expect that to work. However, the issue is that you probably had
considerably more signal period on the amped BOG, so you need to attenuate
it to get a back null.

Ideally with these Phased BOG Systems you're looking to null back end QRM
while not reducing forward DX and hopefully the forward DX can actually
gain a couple dB signal from the combination of two antennas.

Here's an example, using the Quantum Phaser, (forgive me, Nick and Colin,
but I cannot get your phaser to work this well here and will wrap it back
up and take to P.O Saturday) KYW blasting in with 1062 TA carrier.
Reversing phase just about killed KYW to reveal XEEP and the TA carrier was
also basically gone. Mini-BOGs aimed 32 deg. 73 KAZ Barrington IL

On Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 10:39 PM Volodya S <canswl@gmail.com> wrote:

> Bill the main amplified BoG was about 750â long, while the parallel shorter
> non-amplified BoG was about 600â long with the feed about 50â from the
> primary, and the unterminated end about 100â from the end of the primary
> BoG. 73, Walt
>
> On Monday, January 7, 2019, Neil Kazaross <neilkaz58@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Here are Bill's loggings with this. I've never seen these higher band
> > Mexicans reported from that far east on regional channels in this day and
> > age. http://realmonitor.com/am_logs_chinquapin.php
> >
> > Walt, approx, how long were your two wires? Here in IL a mini-PBS is
> giving
> > me good results for TA's all I have is about 290 ft // 190 ft. With lots
> of
> > work, maybe I could add a couple dozen feet. 73 KAZ
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 6, 2019 at 11:55 PM Volodya S <canswl@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Bill, my phased array was similarly about 1.3 to 1, but more like about
> > 5'
> > > apart. Results were occasionally very interesting, but in the end, I
> > > didn't use it very much (too much happening during TP openings). One
> > down
> > > side was that the shorter BoG was not amplified compared to the longer
> > one,
> > > so I sensed this made a big difference in decreasing the efficacy.
> > Perhaps
> > > I'm wrong on that. I also don't necessarily have much to the rear of
> the
> > > NW BoG once daylight breaks to my east. I suspect, perhaps that a
> > phased N
> > > Beverage might be more interesting, especially if it can help with
> > splatter
> > > from the rear! 73, Walt
> > >
> > > On Sun, Dec 30, 2018 at 9:02 PM bill [his.com] <bw@his.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > The âsystemâ Kaz uses is two wires of dis-similar length [ratio of ~
> > > > 1.3:1] spaced about an arms length apart. Works really well and can
> be
> > > > surprisingly wide-band with a phaser. I used to use a 350â & 500â
> set
> > > in a
> > > > park nearby.
> > > >
> > > > ---
> > > >
> > > > > On Dec 30, 2018, at 3:59 PM, Volodya S <canswl@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Chuck, I didnât erect any DU wires this time. The Aussies were
> heard
> > on
> > > > the
> > > > > NE BoG so no promises. Iâv Just set up // BoGs to experiment with a
> > > > phaser.
> > > > > 73, Walt
> >
> >
> >
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