Re: [IRCA] TP 19 Oct, Victoria version
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Re: [IRCA] TP 19 Oct, Victoria version



Sounds like the location may have something to do with it, Gary, unless you heard something like both Dennis and I did today. I'll need to move my tuned loop outside away from my own electrical noise to get a better picture, but it was underperforming this morning on the late DX.

NHK2 signed off at 1515UT today, a pity because both 747 and 774 carriers were quite strong later.

best wishes,

Nick



At 05:22 20-10-13, you wrote:


<<<   How late did you listen today?   I'm curious as to whether maybe the
ferrite monster is responsive to lower arrival angles than maybe the Flag is. >>>

Well, this morning I gave a final check at 1500UT, but even the big guns like 774-JOUB and 972-HLCA were already inaudible down in the noise. It felt lucky to even have them around until 1450 (especially after this miserable week), so I'm not complaining.

Anyway, the evidence would strongly indicate that this mediocre location (surrounded by hills to the north, east and south, and the Olympic mountains to the west) is responsible for the watered-down sunrise enhancements, and not the FSL antenna's DX arrival angle. The same lackluster sunrise enhancement was observed with the 9' air core box loops used here from 2009-2010. I was amazed at how you and Nick would hear the NHK2 sign off chimes almost every day around December during those years, when I never even knew what they were :-) In fact, I never even heard the NHK2 sign off chimes until I made an ill-advised DXpedition to the Rockwork 4 ocean cliff last November (during a vicious windstorm).

73, Gary




-----Original Message-----
From: Nick Hall-Patch <nhp@xxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Sat, Oct 19, 2013 9:05 pm
Subject: Re: [IRCA] TP 19 Oct, Victoria version


I don't know Gary.   What salt water is nearby might help a bit for
New Zealand, and maybe Australia, but the path from Asia is over the
rocky spine of Vancouver Island, hence you and Bruce hearing Chinese
that I rarely hear.   I suspect that this morning's good (and
fleeting) signals might have been due to an anomalous high angle of
arrival, which would be less affected by our local rockpile.

How late did you listen today?   I'm curious as to whether maybe the
ferrite monster is responsive to lower arrival angles than maybe the Flag is.

best wishes,

Nick


At 00:37 20-10-13, you wrote:

>Hi Nick,
>
><<<   972 HLCA caught a similar time to Gary's recording,  almost operatic
>vocal ballad 1357UT; but the kicker was 1424UT man and woman talking
>then KK male ballad, mashing the splatter into
>oblivion:
>http://www3.telus.net/public/shallpat/listen/HLCA_20131019_1424.wav
>(not fair; synchronous demodulation, FLG100 antenna)    Still pretty
>fair at times around 1530UT (local sunrise about 45 minutes earlier).   >>>
>
>Thanks for posting your 972-HLCA recording from this morning-- and
>it's certainly an impressive signal on your FLG100.
>
>Your location near salt water seems to make a big difference in the
>duration of sunrise enhancement on mornings like these, and I'm
>always amazed at how long the big gun TP's can keep their signals
>going for you and Walt (and also for Dennis, in Kalama). Here in
>Puyallup there is a very watered-down version of sunrise
>enhancement, with all the Asians biting the dust about an hour earlier.
>
>73, Gary
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Nick Hall-Patch <nhp@xxxxxxxx>
>To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
><irca@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: Sat, Oct 19, 2013 11:03 am
>Subject: [IRCA] TP 19 Oct, Victoria version
>
>
>Gary's already checked in, and yes, it was a better morning, plus
>lots of unID carriers, and lasted a long time too.  Snippets of audio
>up until 1545UT or so.  But conditions were still up and down, not
>being able to find a parallel for 828 a half hour before local
>sunrise isn't ideal.
>
>pretty darn good audio (all of it understandable by a native speaker,
>at least briefly):
>
>774 JOUB man in JJ 1352UT
>972 HLCA caught a similar time to Gary's recording,  almost operatic
>vocal ballad 1357UT; but the kicker was 1424UT man and woman talking
>then KK male ballad, mashing the splatter into
>oblivion:
>http://www3.telus.net/public/shallpat/listen/HLCA_20131019_1424.wav
>(not fair; synchronous demodulation, FLG100 antenna)    Still pretty
>fair at times around 1530UT (local sunrise about 45 minutes earlier).
>
>
>Reasonable audio  at  times during the period (much of it
>understandable by a native speaker, though often battling w/splash or noise):
>
>
>567 JOIK man in JJ 1420UT, no 594 for parallel right now
>594 JOAK man and woman in JJ 1355UT
>828 JOBB man in JJ 1416UT, with no parallels available.  Still no
>parallels at 1532UT with similar strength, woman in JJ, but soon faded.
>963 CRI female vocal ballad 1426UT, then woman talking //1323
>1053 KK jammer 1323UT
>1323 CRI female ballad 1437UT //963; still weakly ballading at 1530UT
>1566 HLAZ woman then man in CC 1356UT
>1575 VoA man and woman SE Asian language 1439UT
>
>
>not so reasonable audio, occasional words or phrases in splash or
>noise could be understood by a native speaker:
>
>747 JOIB man in JJ 1401UT //774
>945 CNR1 man in CC 1425UT slightly offset from 6030// making a
>strange echo; actually slightly better strength at 1430UT upon
>playing back the recording.
>1017 CRI male vocal //5965 1428UT; apparently still there 1539UT w/KK
>sounding talk by man, but very weak
>1287 JOHR man and woman in JJ 1414UT
>
>Burbles in the splatter and noise (if lucky, language might be
>guessed at by cadence of talk, or parallel established by changes in
>talk or music) :
>
>558 unID man talking quietly, more a KK sound? 1423UT; never got 603 in audio
>855 unID man talking and hum 1405UT, but no SW parallels available
>(too much noise)
>873 JOGB likely 1320UT, with woman talking...easy to imagine she said
>"JOGB" just at 1320, but too weak to be sure. //747 a couple of
>minutes later, but tough listening.
>981 CNR1  little news sounder? coming through //945 1431UT, but 945
>seemed to have news after low and high pip on the half hour
>1206 Yanbian? man talking, KK inflection, off channel 1347UT
>1242 JOLF? rock mx 1402UT, only caught last pip on hour, and too weak
>to tell if it had the "cuckoo" sound
>
>
>Strongish het, no or "near imaginary"audio (either undermodulated or
>ravaged by splatter):
>
>603 621 648 711 756 837  864 918 936 1035 1044 1134 1278 1476
>
>
>
>best wishes,
>
>Nick
>
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