Re: [IRCA] [ultralightdx] Identifying a Station by Parallel Programming
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Re: [IRCA] [ultralightdx] Identifying a Station by Parallel Programming



Many thanks to the folks who gave us such thoughtful responses on this question. I wish there were an easy answer to the identification situations like XEW//XEWB-900 and I was hoping that someone knew of such. However, it appears to me that Brandon and others hit the nail on the head... "I'm not to sure how much of a hard rule could or should be made regarding this, perhaps it would be best to just leave the decision up to each individual DXer?"

I can sure live with that! Happily, there aren't many examples like this out there.

In my own case, I'm sure that the soul searching is beneficial.

THANKS!!!
JOhn B.





At 12:59 AM 2/20/2009 -0600, you wrote:

There is also the Rebelde outlets on 1180 kHz. There are two distinct
transmitters broadcasting about 1/2 second apart, apparently on purpose
to interfere with Radio Marti with a huge echo. That would seem to be a
bit of a mix of C and D.

Personally, I would only count the Rebelde 1180 outlets as one station.
If there were more details known about the broadcasting situation from
Cuba, I would perhaps be more comfortable counting them as 2 stations.
That is a much tougher call with XEW/XEWB example, and I think I would
perhaps lean towards counting them both if I was 100% sure I had them both.

I'm not to sure how much of a hard rule could or should be made
regarding this, perhaps it would be best to just leave the decision up
to each individual DXer?

73,
Brandon

John H. Bryant wrote:
>
>
> For each of our own hobbies, each of us judges just what level of
> identification we must hear before we accept that we have Heard a
> station. However, when we start comparing catches or having awards
> programs or lists of distance records, etc, it becomes necessary to
> follow loosely understood common definitions of what is minimum
> identification of a station.
>
> To a degree, these definitions vary from one nation to another (some of
> the Scandinavians are VERY strict) and there are differences, too,
> between common practice in Domestic vs. International DXing.
>
> We've run into a situation concerning "identification by parallels"
> with the awards where we would appreciate some discussion.
>
> Using Japanese examples:
>
> *EXAMPLE A*: *873//774 kHz, NHK2
> *We find it very acceptable, generally, to declare that we have heard
> 873-JOGB, NHK's Program 2 outlet in Kumamoto, when we hear the same
> Japanese programming on 873 that we do on 774, the Program 2 outlet in
> Akita. No problem, all known references including NHK itself declare
> that there is only one Japanese station on 873 and it is in Kumamoto,
> always running NHK2.
>
> *EXAMPLE B: 1152//774 kHz, NHK2
> *When we find a situation where there are more than one NHK2 stations on
> a channel (1152 has two small stations) we simply log "1152-NHK2
> Synchros, Japan." No problem there, either and, /for our awards and
> records in Ultralighting/, we count that as "one station heard." If we
> want to log the stations individually, we can try for a local ID at
> 1319UTC and then know that we have heard one or even both stations....
> so it is possible for the diligent and lucky DXer to eventually count
> two stations there.
>
> *EXAMPLE C: Shangdong News Synchros - 918 kHz.
> *We have a situation on the Shandong Peninsula on the north China coast
> where there are at least three, maybe four or five synchronous
> transmitters in use on one channel... and they are not well
> synchronized, so when conditions are decent, we can hear classic
> "synchro echos." It is a hoot-hoot-hoot! Since those transmitters
> apparently never carry either local IDs or local programming, we will
> always be referring to them only as synchros and counting them
> altogether as "one station heard" for awards, etc. No problem there, as
> far as I can see.
>
> *EXAMPLE D: 900-XEW//XEWB
> *Right now, when conditions are good, we can hear W Radio from BOTH
> stations simultaneously, with the stronger sound first and the classic
> synchro echo considerably weaker, but clearly there following. Every
> reference known on the planet shows XEW and XEWB simulcasting and that
> there are no other W Radio Grupo stations on 900. Can we log *both*
> stations as heard, as long as we have unmistakably heard the echo??? If
> not, how is this situation any different from Example A???
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