Re: [IRCA] ] Michigan radio question (WDOW-WKPR 1440)

[Patrick Martin <mwdxer@xxxxxxxxx>]

Didn't CJFT go to FM and then CIAO came on later? I have them both QSL'd, but I think there was a gap between them.

Patrick

Patrick Martin
Seaside OR
KGED QSL Manager

> From: mikesanburn@xxxxxxxxxxx
> To: irca@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 10:26:05 -0800
> Subject: Re: [IRCA] ] Michigan radio question (WDOW-WKPR 1440)
> 
> Same station that became CIAO later????  --Mike Sanburn
> 
> > From: mwdxer@xxxxxxxxx
> > To: irca@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 10:12:53 -0800
> > Subject: Re: [IRCA] ] Michigan radio question (WDOW-WKPR 1440)
> > 
> > Yes, CJFT 530 was around in the 80s. I heard and QSL'd them. I believe the CE said they were 400 watts at that time.
> > 
> > Patrick
> > 
> > Patrick Martin
> > Seaside OR
> > KGED QSL Manager
> > 
> > > Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 09:55:31 -0800
> > > From: theod@xxxxxxxxx
> > > To: irca@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: Re: [IRCA] ] Michigan radio question (WDOW-WKPR 1440)
> > > 
> > > Yikes.  I'd hate to have to walk from Brampton to Fort Erie: they're 
> > > roughly 100km/60 miles apart even as a crow would fly.   Ft Erie's just 
> > > across the Niagara from Buffalo.
> > > 
> > > Theo
> > > 
> > > On 12/11/2013 8:36 AM, Steve Francis wrote:
> > > > Didn't CJFT in Fort Erie co-exist with a station on 530 at the Toronto airport?  That would seem to indicate that greater Toronto and Fort Erie are far enough apart that CIAO could be counted as an entirely different allocation, despite the relative closeness of Brampton and Fort Erie.  That was my rationale for counting CIAO in 1991, something I'd ordinarily never do with cities that near to each other.  In other words, if, by licensing that airport station and CJFT simultaneously, the CRTC was saying "Fort Erie and Toronto are two entirely different places!", who am I to differ?
> > > >
> > > > Steve Francis
> > > > Alcoa, Tennessee
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Rick Dau <drummer1965usa@xxxxxxxxx>
> > > > To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America <irca@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; am <am@xxxxxxxxxxx>; amfmtvdx <amfmtvdx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; amdx <amdx@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > Sent: Tue, Nov 12, 2013 6:41 am
> > > > Subject: Re: [NRC-AM] Michigan radio question (WDOW-WKPR 1440)
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> > > >    
> > > > Saul, I don't count call changes as new stations, either.  And, in fact, I only count frequency changes as new stations IF a new station comes on the old station's previous frequency and I manage to hear both (example: me hearing KIDZ-1510 Independence, MO and KCCV-760 Overland Park, KS in 1991, after having previously logged KCCV on 1510 three years prior -- in my logbook I make this notation under KCCV-760: "Originally heard on 1510 on 4/9/1988").
> > > >   
> > > > What you have here is a situation much like WNWI-1080's in 1998.  WPOK-1080 in Pontiac, IL went silent, and WNWI-1080 in Valparaiso, IN moved its CoL to Oak Lawn, IL, about 75 miles to north of Pontiac (the difference being, of course, that there wasn't a frequency chance involved, like WKPR moving from 1420 to 1440).  In my Iowa City logbook, I have WPOK and WNWI listed as two separate loggings since they were separate entities to begin with.
> > > >   
> > > > One could also face a dilemma with wondering how to count CJFT-530 Fort Erie, ON and CIAO-530 Brampton, ON, since CIAO took over CJFT's spot on the dial, even though their transmitter sites weren't all that far apart.  Fortunately, I didn't have to deal with that, since I was lucky enough to get CIAO on its previous 790 frequency in early 1991, just months before it moved to 530.
> > > >   
> > > > 73,
> > > > Rick Dau
> > > > South Omaha, Nebraska (872 stations logged here, each CL only listed once)
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> > > >     From: Chernos Saul <sauldx@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > >   To: "irca@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx" <irca@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "am@xxxxxxxxxxx" <am@xxxxxxxxxxx>; "amfmtvdx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx" <amfmtvdx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "amdx@xxxxxxxxxx" <amdx@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > > >   Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 8:02 AM
> > > >   Subject: [IRCA] Michigan radio question (WDOW-WKPR 1440)
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> > > >   
> > > >
> > > > I heard WKPR Kalamazoo on 1440 this morning. I've previously logged WDOW in nearby Dowagiac but had never yet logged WKPR till now.
> > > >
> > > > I don't count call changes. But I'm not sure what this situation represents. This info from Wikipedia is the best summary I've found thus far to describe the situation. Curious for any opinions...with thanks.
> > > >
> > > > WDOW (1440 AM) was a radio station licensed to Dowagiac, Michigan, broadcasting a sports radio format. According to Michguide.com, Kalamazoo Broadcasting (aka Kuiper Broadcasting), owner of WKPR AM 1420 Kalamazoo, is paying $80,000 to Langford Broadcasting as part of an agreement that would take WDOW off the air permanently and have WKPR move to AM 1440 and increase power in November 2010. On March 24, 2011, the Federal Communications Commission cancelled WDOW's license and deleted the call sign from its database.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Saul Chernos
> > > > Burnt River ON
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