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- Subject: Re: [IRCA] Khmo-1070
- From: DX E-mail <dx-tips@xxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2012 16:35:51 -0600
KHMO:
I'm with Saul, George & Todd on this one.
73
J.D. Stephens
dx-tips@xxxxxxx
Sent from my iPod
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> 1. Re: PIRATE 1710 BIG Q (Tim Tromp)
> 2. Re KHMO and DX alerts (Chernos Saul)
> 3. Re: Re KHMO and DX alerts (George Santulli)
> 4. Re: PIRATE 1710 BIG Q (Robert Ross)
> 5. Re: WFIL DX Test this Sunday - a reminder (Glenn Hauser)
> 6. Re: Re KHMO and DX alerts (Todd)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2012 12:10:18 -0500
> From: Tim Tromp <kilokat7@xxxxxxxxx>
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> Subject: Re: [IRCA] PIRATE 1710 BIG Q
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> Here you go Rob:
>
> "Thank you for listening to the Night Watchman Radio Program. We're
> broadcasting from high atop the Constant Jammer Mountain Peak, with powers
> so big that you can see it from the orbiting space lab."
>
> My recording shows the station abruptly went off the air at 0940 UTC during
> Dr. Demento as Saul noted. This has always been the case with the "Big Q"
> too, not to mention the odd broadcast time. After listening to more of the
> recording, I could pick out a few unique sound bites that I've heard on the
> "Big Q" before.
>
> Regards,
> -Tim
>
> On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 10:18 AM, Robert Ross <va3sw@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> Hi Tim:
>>
>> I'm not sure how long your recording ran??? But...If it was still
>> running at 0353 EST (0853 UTC).......can you please tell me what the DJ
>> said then. I heard him say .........
>>
>> "We're Broadcasting from high atop the ???????"
>>
>> I couldn't copy that last word?? Are you able to hear what he said???
>>
>> Thanks...ROB VA3SW
>>
>> Robert S. Ross
>> London, Ontario CANADA
>>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2012 18:13:33 +0000
> From: Chernos Saul <sauldx@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <am@xxxxxxxxxxx>, <irca@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
> <amfmtvdx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, <amdx@xxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [IRCA] Re KHMO and DX alerts
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> I posted the one and only tip on this one, and word came through that my post to these lists led to the broadvaster being immediately alerted to the situation. So that even a couple minutes later, when other DXers tried for it, KHMO was gone. My first instinct was to sit on the fence, and I still understand the desire to let a friend in the industry know immediately when something is awry. But I think this poses a dilemma for those of us who do post tips - and compared to the total number of list subscribers, those of us who post alerts are extremely few in number. If I post to a public list such as this, the risk is that by doing so I am potentially putting the kaibosh on the DX opportunity. This is not what my intent is when posting alerts. And it stands to make me think twice about where I post such alerts in the future, or whether I post them a few days after I have privately alerted a few people who I know to be interested in chasing a signal such as this. Is this rea!
ll!
> y what we want? I realize that we can't and shouldn't dictate what people on the lists choose to do with the information. And I am also sensitive to a broadcaster or engineer, on this list or even not on this list, who may cringe at the thought their signal is getting out improperly. And I have absolutely no problem with someone alerting an engineer a day or more afterwards. I've done that myself with stations *chronically* having signal issues. But this experience re KHMO creates a dilemma for me, and the only way I can see resolving that dilemma is to find another, more discreet way to alert DXers who I know will want to chase the signal. Someone help me work through this one... Saul
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2012 13:47:59 -0500
> From: George Santulli <gsantulli@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: IRCA <irca@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, NRC NRC <am@xxxxxxxxxxx>, NRC
> <amfmtvdx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, <amdx@xxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [IRCA] Re KHMO and DX alerts
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>
> Saul, I will put in my two cents worth at the risk of being hung out to dry... I started my current TV career in radio...at age 15...got the requisite Third..Second and eventually First Class FCC license, all now deceased. I understand the sensitivities of day pattern vs night pattern etc. But for goodness sake...it was not like KHMO was leaking Plutonium...it was an error and my view...is ...no big deal. It did not kill off goldfish or wombats in nearby Quincy...it was just a radio station left inadvertanly on day power or pattern. I once had a job at now long gone KKIO in Santa Barbara, CA. We were a daytimer on 1290 khz, maybe 5kw day, can't remember. But it was a daytimer for sure. I had the "signoff" shift and a few times, even after I went through the arduous task of shutting the XMTR link off, there were times that the carrier was left on. I lived 40 miles from the station and did have to go back a few times to re-cycle the shutdown procedure. It was a rather compli!
ca!
> ted process and don't remember the details, only that a few times, the carrier was left on. I would get home and the CE of KCUB in Tucson would call to remind me that "we were still on the air", technically, because the carrier was on and people on the westside of Tucson, were complaining of a loss of fidelity etc. As far as I remember, no one was fried by my little carrier left on, no cats jumping off rooftops. Sure it was not right according to the rules...but.. So while I understand that by FCC regs a station with a specific night pattern must adhere to the "rules", but in the big picture we get so few breaks these days, wouldn't it have been nice to give some folks a shot at a normally hard to get station? No one wants the CE to get into trouble, but it was not deliberate. That is my view. Okay...bring out the cross, the wooden nails and let it be... George in Virginia > From: sauldx@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>> To: am@xxxxxxxxxxx; irca@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; amfmtvdx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; amdx@xxxxxxxxxx
>> Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2012 18:13:33 +0000
>> Subject: [IRCA] Re KHMO and DX alerts
>>
>>
>> I posted the one and only tip on this one, and word came through that my post to these lists led to the broadvaster being immediately alerted to the situation. So that even a couple minutes later, when other DXers tried for it, KHMO was gone. My first instinct was to sit on the fence, and I still understand the desire to let a friend in the industry know immediately when something is awry. But I think this poses a dilemma for those of us who do post tips - and compared to the total number of list subscribers, those of us who post alerts are extremely few in number. If I post to a public list such as this, the risk is that by doing so I am potentially putting the kaibosh on the DX opportunity. This is not what my intent is when posting alerts. And it stands to make me think twice about where I post such alerts in the future, or whether I post them a few days after I have privately alerted a few people who I know to be interested in chasing a signal such as this. Is this re!
a!
> ll!
>> y what we want? I realize that we can't and shouldn't dictate what people on the lists choose to do with the information. And I am also sensitive to a broadcaster or engineer, on this list or even not on this list, who may cringe at the thought their signal is getting out improperly. And I have absolutely no problem with someone alerting an engineer a day or more afterwards. I've done that myself with stations *chronically* having signal issues. But this experience re KHMO creates a dilemma for me, and the only way I can see resolving that dilemma is to find another, more discreet way to alert DXers who I know will want to chase the signal. Someone help me work through this one... Saul
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2012 14:03:43 -0500
> From: Robert Ross <va3sw@xxxxxxxxxx>
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> Subject: Re: [IRCA] PIRATE 1710 BIG Q
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> On 2012-02-11, at 12:10 PM, Tim Tromp wrote:
>
>> Here you go Rob:
>>
>> "Thank you for listening to the Night Watchman Radio Program. We're
>> broadcasting from high atop the Constant Jammer Mountain Peak, with powers
>> so big that you can see it from the orbiting space lab."
>>
>> My recording shows the station abruptly went off the air at 0940 UTC during
>> Dr. Demento as Saul noted. This has always been the case with the "Big Q"
>> too, not to mention the odd broadcast time. After listening to more of the
>> recording, I could pick out a few unique sound bites that I've heard on the
>> "Big Q" before.
>>
>> Regards,
>> -Tim
>
> Thanks Tim.........I appreciate you filling in the Blanks on that partial ID I heard....and confirming it was actually THE BIG Q.......which is what I figured!!
>
> I was hearing them on a BAREFOOT Ultralight SONY SRF-T615 Radio.....so the signal was not always strong.....at times it was though! Some deep Fades and Noise at times.
>
> 73....ROB VA3SW
>
> Robert S. Ross
> London, Ontario CANADA
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2012 12:27:12 -0800 (PST)
> From: Glenn Hauser <wghauser@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: dxld@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Cc: am@xxxxxxxxxxx, amfmtvdx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, mwdx
> <mwdx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, amdx@xxxxxxxxxx, abdx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx,
> irca@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [IRCA] WFIL DX Test this Sunday - a reminder
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> According to NRC Pattern Book, the direxionality is: major lobe to the SE, minor to the NW, nulls to the NE and SW.
>
> But FCC plot shows the lobes are not that different, and the nulls not that deep:
>
> http://transition.fcc.gov/ftp/Bureaus/MB/Databases/AM_DA_patterns/270951-791.pdf
>
> Glenn Hauser
>
> --- On Fri, 2/10/12, Mike Terry <miketerry73@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> From Rene' F. Tetro on IRCA and
>> ABDX:
>> ?
>> The WFIL DX Test will be conducted Sunday Morning from
>> 12:00AM - 12:55AM
>> Eastern (0500-0555 UTC).? WFIL is licensed to Philadelphia,
>> PA and will be
>> operating on our Daytime Directional Array at 5KW.? The end
>> time has been
>> adjusted to 12:55AM, instead of 01:00AM.? This will afford
>> listeners in our
>> region to possibly hear other stations on 560. We will turn
>> off our carrier
>> from 12:55AM until 1:02AM, which will allow listeners to
>> catch top of the
>> hour IDs.
>>
>>
>>
>> Reception reports should be emailed to: dxtest@xxxxxxxx?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> If you still prefer snail mail, reports can also be sent
>> to:
>>
>> ? ? ? DX Test
>>
>> ? ? ? WFIL Radio
>>
>> ? ? ? 117 Ridge Pike
>>
>> ? ? ? Lafayette Hill, PA? 19444-1901
>>
>>
>>
>> Details of the test:
>>
>> ? ? ? Voice ID's will be given about every 5 minutes
>>
>> ? ? ? Morse Code ID's will be given four times
>>
>> ? ? ? Audio tones:? Sweeps, Warblers, Morse Code Letter
>> "V" Repeated
>>
>> ? ? ? WFIL Jingles from the 60s and 70s
>>
>> ? ? ? Music:? Stars and Stripes Forever at aprox. :05
>> and :32
>>
>> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? I Want to Hold Your Hand (Beatles) at
>> aprox :16 and :43
>>
>> ? ? ? The test will begin at exactly 0001 EST (0501 UTC)
>>
>> ? ? ? The test will end at exactly 0056 EST (0556 UTC)
>>
>>
>>
>> WFIL will turn off its carrier from 0056 - 0102 to allow
>> people our region
>> to attempt It's of other stations on 560.? WFIL will resume
>> normal
>> broadcasting on night pattern @ 5KW at 0102.
>>
>> ? ? ?
>>
>>
>>
>> Good luck.?
>>
>>
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Rene'
>>
>>
>>
>> Rene' F. Tetro, Director of Engineering and IT
>>
>> Salem Communications - Philadelphia
>>
>> ? ? WFIL 560AM:? "Philadelphia's Christian Teaching &
>> Talk Station"
>>
>> ? ? WNTP? 990AM:? "Intelligent Conservative Talk"
>>
>> 117 Ridge Pike
>>
>> Lafayette Hill, PA? 19444
>>
>> Voice:?
>> 610-828-6965??????????????610-828-6965???????
>> Ext: 41
>>
>> Fax:? 610-828-6725
>>
>> Email:? rtetro@xxxxxxxxx
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2012 15:01:29 -0600
> From: Todd <todftscytj7707@xxxxxxx>
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> <irca@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, NRC NRC <am@xxxxxxxxxxx>, NRC
> <amfmtvdx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, amdx@xxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [IRCA] Re KHMO and DX alerts
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> Hi,
> This is my 2 cents worth: this is a HARDCORE radio club. I believe that this site is for the hardcore DX'ERS. This site exists for other hardcore dx'ers to help other hardcore dx'ers. We are here to be positive in giving other dx'ers tips that may net them their closest unheard. In my case my #1300 station was just recently heard was a daytimer 1530 England, AR on at night. If Bill hadn't of posted that tip, I would still be at 1299.
>
>
> Todd Skaine
> Woodbury, MN
> 2010, PL 310 or
> Toyota radio
>
> George Santulli <gsantulli@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>>
>> Saul, I will put in my two cents worth at the risk of being hung out to dry... I started my current TV career in radio...at age 15...got the requisite Third..Second and eventually First Class FCC license, all now deceased. I understand the sensitivities of day pattern vs night pattern etc. But for goodness sake...it was not like KHMO was leaking Plutonium...it was an error and my view...is ...no big deal. It did not kill off goldfish or wombats in nearby Quincy...it was just a radio station left inadvertanly on day power or pattern. I once had a job at now long gone KKIO in Santa Barbara, CA. We were a daytimer on 1290 khz, maybe 5kw day, can't remember. But it was a daytimer for sure. I had the "signoff" shift and a few times, even after I went through the arduous task of shutting the XMTR link off, there were times that the carrier was left on. I lived 40 miles from the station and did have to go back a few times to re-cycle the shutdown procedure. It was a rather compl!
ic!
> a!
>> ted process and don't remember the details, only that a few times, the carrier was left on. I would get home and the CE of KCUB in Tucson would call to remind me that "we were still on the air", technically, because the carrier was on and people on the westside of Tucson, were complaining of a loss of fidelity etc. As far as I remember, no one was fried by my little carrier left on, no cats jumping off rooftops. Sure it was not right according to the rules...but.. So while I understand that by FCC regs a station with a specific night pattern must adhere to the "rules", but in the big picture we get so few breaks these days, wouldn't it have been nice to give some folks a shot at a normally hard to get station? No one wants the CE to get into trouble, but it was not deliberate. That is my view. Okay...bring out the cross, the wooden nails and let it be... George in Virginia > From: sauldx@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> To: am@xxxxxxxxxxx; irca@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; amfmtvdx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; amdx@xxxxxxxxxx
>>> Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2012 18:13:33 +0000
>>> Subject: [IRCA] Re KHMO and DX alerts
>>>
>>>
>>> I posted the one and only tip on this one, and word came through that my post to these lists led to the broadvaster being immediately alerted to the situation. So that even a couple minutes later, when other DXers tried for it, KHMO was gone. My first instinct was to sit on the fence, and I still understand the desire to let a friend in the industry know immediately when something is awry. But I think this poses a dilemma for those of us who do post tips - and compared to the total number of list subscribers, those of us who post alerts are extremely few in number. If I post to a public list such as this, the risk is that by doing so I am potentially putting the kaibosh on the DX opportunity. This is not what my intent is when posting alerts. And it stands to make me think twice about where I post such alerts in the future, or whether I post them a few days after I have privately alerted a few people who I know to be interested in chasing a signal such as this. Is this r!
e!
> a!
>> ll!
>>> y what we want? I realize that we can't and shouldn't dictate what people on the lists choose to do with the information. And I am also sensitive to a broadcaster or engineer, on this list or even not on this list, who may cringe at the thought their signal is getting out improperly. And I have absolutely no problem with someone alerting an engineer a day or more afterwards. I've done that myself with stations *chronically* having signal issues. But this experience re KHMO creates a dilemma for me, and the only way I can see resolving that dilemma is to find another, more discreet way to alert DXers who I know will want to chase the signal. Someone help me work through this one... Saul
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