Re: [IRCA] [Amdx] Re the dx-tip list

[Russ Edmunds <wb2bjh@xxxxxxxxx>]

One of the answers to the question of 'why ?' is probably very simple: "Reply All".

I used that on this response but removing Saul ( he'll get 3 copies anyway ) and the one list I no longer subscribe to.


Russ Edmunds
Blue Bell, PA ( 360' ASL )
[15 mi NNW of Philadelphia]
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<wb2bjh@xxxxxxxxx>
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--- On Sat, 1/16/10, Saul Chernos <sauldx@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> From: Saul Chernos <sauldx@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [Amdx] Re the dx-tip list
> To: am@xxxxxxxxxxx, "Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America" <irca@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, amfmtvdx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, amdx@xxxxxxxxxx
> Date: Saturday, January 16, 2010, 2:23 PM
> I'm posting this to the NRC and IRCA
> and AMFMTVDX and WTFDA AM discussion lists even though it
> concerns the NRC DX tip list. I'm doing this out of sheer
> frustration with the TIP list, and because that list is for
> TIPS ONLY, not for what I'm about to say.
> 
> A small handful of DXers have been cross-posting regular
> (non-alert/tip) messages to a multitide of lists, including
> the DX TIP list.
> 
> The moderator has repeatedly reminded the list that it's
> for TIPS only, and that only brief postings are allowed.
> Despite his repeated and polite efforts, a handful of
> individuals continue to treat the tip list as a discussion
> list, often cross posting to that list what they've posted
> to other lists.
> 
> I don't know why this is happening. Perhaps a failure to
> check the CC bar of their e-mail, or difficulty reading the
> moderator's requests. Or ... ???
> 
> To my point - If the TIP list is used for regular messages,
> what's the point of having a tip/alert list?
> 
> Here's why I think the tip list is worth keeping: Some
> people are minimalists who want a list that's free of
> discussion, just points them to hot stuff happening on the
> band. And allows them to alert others, as well. It's also
> useful for DXers who are travelling, or who don't want DX
> discussion cluttering up addresses they use primarily for
> work. The last reason is my key reason for subscribing.
> 
> I might add that many people who subscribe to the TIP list
> have it linked to their mobile phone or text messaging
> devices. Often it's set to sound an alarm. Another plus for
> the TIP list. However, every time someone posts commentary,
> or asks a question, or responds to a question, some DXers
> are woken up or otherwise disturbed.
> 
> This point has been made repeatedly. The moderator has been
> diligent and I can only praise their efforts. What I simply
> can't understand is why anyone would keep posting to the TIP
> list, despsite the moderator's very polite requests that
> they use the list only for tips.
> 
> I've noticed that only a handful of people are actually
> posting to the tip list, for tips or otherwise. It would be
> interesting to know how many subscribers the tip list has.
> Have people either quit the list, or not signed up?
> 
> It would be wonderful to have one clearly-defined TIP list,
> widely used and respected by participants. Just for DX tips
> and alerts.
> 
> With rules somewhat along these lines: Once a tip has been
> posted that a DXer is hearing something in southern Ontario,
> there's really no need for anyone else to say the same
> station is also being heard in northern Ohio. Particularly
> if it's a daytimer heard at night, or a transatlantic.
> There's no need to *discuss* the quality of the reception,
> beyond the initial reporter perhaps very briefly (one or two
> words) indicating signal strenth. I do think some unIDs are
> okay - okay to post that an unID station is running country
> that's interfering with a high-powered clear channel station
> - this is a tip that alerts DXers to the fact that something
> unusual is there. It's even OK, in my opinion, to ID it
> there if the station is identitfied. Though more strict
> users might argue that, too, could be taken to a discussion
> list; and that would preventr multiple DXers from
> simultaneously posting the resolved ID. As for discussion or
> theorizing about who it might be -- that should be taken to
> a discussion list (or to a private post).
> 
> I feel a little bit better for venting. I'd feel an awful
> lot better if things changed somehow for the better. It
> might also induce me to stay on the tip list - I'd be even
> more induced if more of us used it for what it's intended.
> 
> Normally I'd take a gripe like this to the list admin and
> the club responsible for the list. But IMO they've done what
> they can to stop the list's abuse - short of kicking people
> off or making the list by invitation only. I'm not
> necessarily asking for such harsh measures at this time.
> 
> Saul Chernos
> 
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