Re: [IRCA] Poor Excuses kill this hobby

Subject: Re: [IRCA] Poor Excuses kill this hobby
From: kh2ar@xxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 19:14:25 +0000

Thanks for the kind words Les - and I'll repeat what I have said before: we are simply continuing the great work done by you, J.D. and other BTC/CPC coordinators for many, many decades. I am fortunate in having a great team to work with and that has made it all great fun.

All the best, Jim

-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: "Les Rayburn" <les@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 

> To my knowledge, very few tests that have been coordinated over the past few 
> years have had any issues with QSL's. Some have taken a long time to be 
> received, and in one 
> case there was a change of ownership after the test, which resulted in the 
> station manager having to find a new job before QSL's could be issued. 
> Otherwise, QSL's have been received. 
> 
> Some objected to receiving QSL's from the Test Coordinator or anyone else 
> other than the station directly. But in almost every case, QSL's have been 
> received. I have a few Postal QSL requests from a test ran earlier this year 
> still sitting on my test, waiting for me to find time to review the 
> cassettes. But that will happen and QSL's will be shipped out before year's 
> end. The delay is regrettable, but in fairness to all, we asked for MP3 
> files and e-mails, postal and cassettes were a secondary choice. At least 
> two of the cassette recordings contain over an hours worth of material that 
> I'm supposed to find time to listen to, and dig out the DX test. 
> 
> Frankly, Konnie, I think your attitude is a poor one. There is no comparison 
> between ham radio DXing and MW DXing as it pertains to QSL's. The stations 
> are not in the "hobby" business, they're in the making money business. Any 
> test, QSL, or other extra effort on their part is a gift and should be 
> treated as such. If you want "verification" make a recording and keep it. 
> That proves your reception much more than any piece of paper. 
> 
> We all like to receive QSL's, and I understand that for some, they're a big 
> part of the hobby. But the attitude shift that is needed is on the part of 
> the DX'ers, not the broadcasters. 
> 
> I think Jim and the new BTC are doing a bang up job. So far, I've promptly 
> received QSL's for two tests that I've received this fall. And I've got some 
> new stations in the log. My hat is off to them. 
> 
> 73, 
> 
> Les Rayburn, N1LF 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Les Rayburn, director 
> High Noon Film 
> 100 Centerview Drive Suite 111 
> Birmingham, AL 35216 
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> 205.824.8960 fax 
> 205.253.4867 cell 
> 
> 
> -------------------------------------------------- 
> From: "Konnie Rychalsky" 
> Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 10:40 PM 
> To: "Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America" 
> 
> Subject: [IRCA] Poor Excuses kill this hobby 
> 
> > 
> > Jim, 
> > 
> > With all due respect, you are a ham radio operator, and the reference at 
> > the bottom of your recent post ( QRZ.com ) does an excellent job at 
> > "defining" what a QSL is, unless you have redefined it. I in no way 
> > suggested that you insist upon the testing-station that you educate them, 
> > but come on now.... you "ARE" a ham radio operator.... and wouldn't it 
> > help to a) when you ask a station to run a test, ask them if they have a 
> > QSL available, b) if not, offer one, and c) it would be nice to let us 
> > know????? Ham radio operators know what QSLs are, and no news to you I'm 
> > sure. Aren't you of all people suppossed to encourage the hobby of radio? 
> > Doesn't Ham radio include QSLs??? 
> > 
> > To everyone on this list, are you implying that even if you do coordinate 
> > a DX test, it's possible a QSL will not be issued? If indeed possible, 
> > isn't it worth asking? Most QSLs I receive from stations are from those 
> > who were or currently are Ham radio operators. I will remain gratefull 
> > with a "QSL." I include a friendly letter with my reports showing 
> > examples of QSLs, even on an idea for a quick make-shift QSL if the 
> > station doesn't have one [and I'll add I've received phonecalls in return 
> > stating they were interested.] Maybe if you'll ask, you'll be surprised 
> > on the answer, and therefore help the station and the hobby. The reason 
> > for hearing a distant station is to have your reception confirmed, as 
> > proof, and that is done via a QSL card. Somehow, coordinating a test and 
> > not checking into a QSL response just falls short to the "hobby" that 
> > began long before you or I were even born. To settle for less, doesn't 
> > help the hobby. Personally, anything less is just that, something less. 
> > 
> > I believe your response has lead me to question if it is worth staying up, 
> > or getting up, to listen to a test anymore. Who's suppossed to share the 
> > DX & QSL with the station, if the test coordinator doesn't? Don't you 
> > think that if a station will not issue a QSL, we should know that ahead of 
> > time? I cannot find your explanation to ask, or educate, adequatly helps 
> > the hobby. 
> > 
> > A fish is a fish, a worm is a worm, and a QSL is a QSL. As for "these 
> > days" one of the problems of receiving less than a QSL just may be found 
> > in your response. Maybe instead of a stamp, each DXer can send in a 
> > dollar, and with the $10 - $20, you can supply the station with a 
> > gift...uh, QSL cards!!!!!! about 100 worth. You will have left the hobby 
> > a better place than you found it. 
> > 
> > Then, dxers will be gratefull to you and the IRCA for making a difference. 
> > What is the IRCA for anyway? And coming from a Ham radio operator 
> > ???????????? 
> > 
> > God, that was simple. People, stop settling for less, and poor excuses. 
> > Get involved in your hobby! Stop looking for what you can get, and add 
> > selfishly to a raggetty old shoe box full of mold and mildew stuck in a 
> > closet that won't see light for another ten years... and starting looking 
> > on how to give to others, including an education on what a QSL really is, 
> > and supply them. There needs to be a serious attitude shift here. That 
> > should start the keyboards clicking, eh? 
> > 
> > Konnie 
> > SW CT 
> >> From: KH2AR@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: irca@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Date: Thu, 22 Nov 
> >> 2007 21:31:09 -0600> Subject: Re: [IRCA] QSL from WIGG 1420 for DX TEST> 
> >> > Folks, I gotta say, any time you get a response from a station these 
> >> days> and the "intent" is to verify your reception, you need to be 
> >> grateful. I am> certain that this was the intent by WIGG. The days of 
> >> insisting upon a full> data verification with date, time, frequency, 
> >> power, etc., and an> unambiguous "your reception is verified" statement 
> >> or the like are gone. In> a word, no, not all stations are aware of what 
> >> constitutes what we DXers> would categorize as a full data QSL. And I'm 
> >> not about to try and launch an> education program. Again, we are lucky to 
> >> get the test and a snail-mail> response to our reception reports at all.> 
> >> > Jim Pogue KH2AR/WPE9HLJ/KG6DX1A> Memphis, Tennessee USA> > NRD-535, 
> >> R-390A, ICF-2010> Wellbrook LA5030 loop, PAØRDT mini-whip,> attic 
> >> longwire, Quantum phaser> > QRZ.com/KH2AR> > -----Original Message-----> 
> >> From: irca-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> >> [mailto:irca-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]> On Behalf Of Konnie Rychalsky> 
> >> Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 7:45 PM> To: Mailing list for the 
> >> International Radio Club of America> Subject: Re: [IRCA] QSL from WIGG 
> >> 1420 for DX TEST> > > I thought the definition of a "QSL" confirms a 
> >> date? Isn't this instead a> "Verie?" On another note, aren't the stations 
> >> that run these DX tests aware> of "QSL" response?> > Konnie> SW CT> > > 
> >> Yesterday received a hand written letter with business card from WIGG> > 
> >> 1420khz for DX Test on Nov 4th., signed by Paul Turner. No date was> > 
> >> mentioned. 
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