Re: [IRCA] Cuban call signs (was: AM BCB Loggings.............

["Ira Elbert New, III" <ien3@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

So is this correct or incorrect...tha way I have this logged?

IEN-GA Ira Elbert New, III, Watkinsville - SONY ICF-2010

640 BC CU Havana - 08/12/06 2258 - TOH ID and Cuban music. Good signal with 
slight fades. "Havana, Cuba...Radio Progreso". (IEN-GA)

Bert New
Watkinsville, Georgia
Proudly Serving You Since 1964!




>From: "W. Curt Deegan" <WWWR@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Reply-To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of 
>America<irca@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of 
>America<irca@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Subject: Re: [IRCA] Cuban call signs (was: AM BCB Loggings.............
>Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 18:54:30 -0400
>
>Allowing that there was a mistake in the call sign listed in the posting
>that began this thread and acknowledging the common practice of using call
>signs in reports, I must say I do not see much reason to include call signs
>for Cuban stations, IMHO.
>
>Only a handful of Cubans even acknowledge call signs in their on-line web
>material, when it exists, let alone use them on the air.  Reporting them
>therefore, is by definition a compromise if not a stretch.  The only place
>Cuban call signs commonly appear is in the WRTH -- or lists derived
>therefrom -- and those are usually based on historical data not current
>realities.  Even less meaningful are the entries in the FCC database
>because they are based on the official listings filed by Cuba, which has no
>interest in providing accurate information to international governing 
>bodies.
>
>Since Cuban stations hop about on a whim, the only sure things are the
>frequency and network being carried, as are actually heard.  Unless it has
>been DFed, even the location is a bit of an uncertainty, again most often
>based on WRTH entries.  Though facilities move far less frequently than do
>frequencies and networks carried, Cuban broadcast facilities have been
>noted elsewhere from listed.  Still, location as best determined, is a
>third valuable component for identifying stations received.
>
>Another largely meaningless piece of information is the power listed for
>stations.  At best an historical presumption, since this also changes as
>the need arises, such as to blot out Florida and other SS
>stations.  Witness the recent coming and going of powerful Cuban stations
>on 530 and 1620 to block Radio Marti.
>
>Not to take cheap shots at WRTH, most of it entries are as accurate as is
>reasonably possible.  But call signs just don't mean anything in Cuba
>anymore.  Using them is less meaningful than would be sequence numbers from
>some list.
>
>Since the same call sign may appear on more than one station listing, even
>using them for reference purposes is only marginally useful.  But, if a
>call sign MUST be assigned, for 870 RR it would be CMDT.  A call sign
>listed in the '06 WRTH, I would note, on two different frequencies,
>carrying two different networks, in two different cities, in two different
>provinces, in two different regions on the island.
>
>As I say, only the frequency and network as heard by the DXer are
>certain.  In this instance though, the location has not been found to be
>substantially different from that listed in WRTH.
>
>Not to fault Robert either, everyone seems to fall into using listed call
>signs, doing this out of the expectation they mean something.  It just
>isn't the case in the Castros' Cuba.
>
>As an example, if someone reported hearing Radio Reloj on 950, I too would
>ask for more detail -- since I can hear two at the same time -- and would
>have to accept the WRTH location as delineation since neither have a call
>sign listed at all.  The only better reference would be something such as
>observed direction, were that available.  And even that is only accurate
>enough to discern different stations when taken relatively near the source,
>not something DXers are generally able to do.
>
>My personal listing of Cubans is by frequency and network, with best
>estimate of location.  Location either as shown in WRTH or when available,
>from directional observations by myself or the several far more experienced
>DXers located here in Florida, or the occasional results of cruise-by
>observations.
>
>I bring all this up by way of discussion for those who may not be aware of
>the vagaries of Cuban radio, rather than to argue about what is proper form
>for DXers in general, or to take issue with any particular report.
>
>Everything else aside, 870 RR Sancti Spiritus, is still a nice catch for
>Robert in Ontario.
>
>Curt
>-------
>W. Curt Deegan
>Boca Raton, (southeast) Florida
>
>
>At 02:45 PM 9/2/2006, you wrote:
>
> >The owners of CHML 900 in Hamilton ON must be pretty
> >peeved with Castro for this...
> >
> >--- Robert Ross <va3sw@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> >  All of these Logs are made with the DRAKE R8B and an
> >  80 Meter Dipole
> >
> >  870    CHML Radio Reloj  Sancti Spiritus, CUBA
> >  Aug/28   0036
> >  EDT     SS     VG
> >  Male with News Items in SS. Clock Ticks and "RR" in
> >  CW on Minute.
> >  NEW STN.
> >  ROSS, ONT.
>
>
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