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Re: [IRCA] CO TP Report 10/22/18

Todd, how much higher?

On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 6:52 PM Forrester S <amradio1976@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Kaz, what will happen to the response of the antenna if its 140' and the
> height goes higher than 23'.
>
> Todd Skaine
> ICOM 7300 wth a Superloop
> 2 Modified 2010s barefoot
> Toyota car radio
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> On Mon, Oct 22, 2018, 5:45 PM C B via IRCA <irca@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> > Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2018 22:45:05 +0000 (UTC)
> > Subject: Re: [IRCA] CO TP Report 10/22/18
> >  Kaz,
> > Thanks for taking the time to elaborate. I am trying to think outside of
> > the box and see if I might be able to cram a 100 to 112 ft. DKAZ into the
> > southern boundary of my city residential lot. Any longer and it would
> have
> > to be anchored in the street. I doubt the city would appreciate that
> > approach.
> > 73,
> > Craig    On Monday, October 22, 2018, 2:57:01 PM MDT, Neil Kazaross <
> > neilkaz58@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> >  Your proposed small DKAZ should work well in the upper part of the band,
> > but you won't have enough signal at the low end and I've and others have
> > experienced difficulties getting really good low band F/B with small
> DKAZ.
> > Based on experience I would not feel comfortable with much less than 20 x
> > 84 ft, so if you can get some taller masts try that.  73 KAZ
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 3:01 PM C B via IRCA <irca@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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> > > Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2018 20:01:33 +0000 (UTC)
> > > Subject: Re: [IRCA] CO TP Report 10/22/18
> > >  Kaz,
> > > Is there such a thing as a dimensional point where the difference
> between
> > > a KAZ and DKAZ are a wash, or is the loop inversion present in the DKAZ
> > > design the governing factor?
> > > Thanks,
> > > Craig
> > >    On Monday, October 22, 2018, 11:57:58 AM MDT, Neil Kazaross <
> > > neilkaz58@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > >
> > >  By all means go at least 20 ft high!  73 KAZ
> > >
> > > On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 12:02 PM C B via IRCA <irca@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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> > > > Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2018 17:02:23 +0000 (UTC)
> > > > Subject: Re: [IRCA] CO TP Report 10/22/18
> > > >  Kaz,
> > > > I could use taller supports. Do you recommend 22 ft. height? I read
> > where
> > > > smaller DKAZ antennas might suffer from degraded lower band results.
> I
> > > just
> > > > went off of a height to length ratio derived from previously
> published
> > > > material. I appreciate your input!
> > > > Craig
> > > >
> > > >    On Monday, October 22, 2018, 10:49:03 AM MDT, Neil Kazaross <
> > > > neilkaz58@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >  Craig, I fear this will be too small for the lower half of the band.
> > Can
> > > > you use significantly taller vertical supports? I use these which
> > > > unfortunately cost 15 bucks more than when I bought a bunch.
> > > > https://store.kittyhawk.com/products/22ft-hvy-duty-tele-pole  They
> > spec
> > > 22
> > > > ft but mine measure about 23 ft when fully extended.
> > > >
> > > > 73 KAZ
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 11:34 AM C B via IRCA <irca@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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> > > > > Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2018 16:34:29 +0000 (UTC)
> > > > > Subject: Re: [IRCA] CO TP Report 10/22/18
> > > > >  Kaz,
> > > > > The biggest DKAZ I can fit in will be about 84 ft., so my vertical
> > > > > supports will be at 28 ft. intervals and 13.2 ft. high. The DKAZ
> will
> > > be
> > > > > aimed at ~260 degrees. Unfortunately there's not a lot of wiggle
> room
> > > for
> > > > > me to work with. Per your recommendation, the bottom wire will be 2
> > ft.
> > > > > above the ground. I will use the Vactrol unit for termination.
> > > > > Thanks and 73,
> > > > > Craig BarnesWheat Ridge, CO
> > > > >    On Monday, October 22, 2018, 9:01:35 AM MDT, Neil Kazaross <
> > > > > neilkaz58@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >  Craig what dimensions do you plan for the DKAZ?
> > > > >
> > > > > Typical sunrise period morning here in IL. I start recording at
> 1158
> > > and
> > > > > while doing so tune live to 1020 and KTNQ is coming in fine in SS
> > with
> > > an
> > > > > LA street address given in ad. I notice a quite good carrier from
> > 1017
> > > on
> > > > > the other side of the spectral display (am in LSB to avoid most of
> > WNVR
> > > > > super local slop). I tuned to 1017 and sure enough there's some
> weak
> > > > island
> > > > > mx pushing past the slop.
> > > > >
> > > > > Later on 4QR 612 was quite readable, and I managed some audio on
> 702
> > > and
> > > > > 738 but unlike yesterday when 3WV 594 was quite clear, there wasn't
> > > much
> > > > > from them today.
> > > > >
> > > > > If you want your DKAZ for DU, I suggest aiming further south right
> at
> > > > them
> > > > > about 250 deg from Denver area. This should also reduce Asian QRM.
> Or
> > > > > perhaps even aim is somewhat further south.
> > > > >
> > > > > 73 KAZ
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 9:19 AM C B via IRCA <
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> > > > > > Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2018 14:19:05 +0000 (UTC)
> > > > > > Subject: CO TP Report 10/22/18
> > > > > > I listened from 1242 to 1315. LSR at 1318. No sign of JOBB this
> AM.
> > > As
> > > > > > reported by Richard Allen, certain signals only in briefly.
> Working
> > > on
> > > > > > switching the W KAZ out for a smaller W DKAZ. Then on to a N Flag
> > or
> > > N
> > > > > > corner fed loop.
> > > > > > 594 JOAK weak w/time pips at 1300
> > > > > > 693 JOAB fair w/male and female, fanfare, sounded like EE lesson
> > > > > > 747 JOIB fair w/male and female, EE lesson
> > > > > > 774 JOUB good w/male and female, EE lesson
> > > > > > 972 HLCA fair w/male in KK? in briefly
> > > > > > 73 and Best of DX,
> > > > > > Craig BarnesWheat Ridge, CO
> > > > > > Elad FDM-S2, NW corner fed loop, Quantum Phaser
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