Re: [IRCA] philosophy of logging a new one

[Russ Edmunds <wb2bjh@xxxxxxxxx>]

To me, a carrier doesn't go into the log, period. There has to be
identifiable audio. Certainly there is some difference of opinion within
the hobby as to what constitutes "identifiable audio", and I'm not going
into that here. I think that's for each DX'er to decide.


Russ Edmunds
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On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 11:18 AM, Neil Kazaross <neilkaz58@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Basically no brainer hets but you need to hear audio that you can at least
> tell is Arabic. Note that these aren't completely no brainers. Saudi fades
> out not much after 0300 and I've logged Spain from both IL and WI. I've
> also logged Portugal and 891 from my WI site which can be super good for
> low/mid band to Iberia.
>
> 73 KAZ
>
> On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 9:47 AM, Todd S <amdxing1976@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > Food for thought, what about no brainer consistent hets from 891 and 1521
> > in the Midwest?
> >
> >
> > Todd Skaine
> > Bloomington Mn
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 9:40 AM Marc DeLorenzo via IRCA <
> > irca@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Stan-
> > >
> > > I agree with Jim 100%.  Detecting a carrier is not enough information
> for
> > > a logging.  You need to hear audio.  Hearing and recording a local ID
> is
> > > preferable but not 100% necessary.  If you hear audio on a particular
> > > frequency and find a shortwave parallel or webstream of the same
> station
> > > with the same audio, that is sufficient to claim a logging.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Marc DeLorenzo
> > > South Dennis, Cape Cod, Massachusetts
> > > MW DXer since 1962 - 105 countries heard on MW
> > >  http://forums.wtfda.org/showthread.php?228-DeLorenzo-s-Classic-DX
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: James Renfrew <jim.renfrew@xxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America <
> > > irca@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Wed, Mar 22, 2017 9:04 am
> > > Subject: Re: [IRCA] philosophy of logging a new one
> > >
> > > A carrier or weak audio may likely be a particular station, and if I
> have
> > > previously logged it with IDable material I may presume that it's what
> > I've
> > > previously heard.  So that's not claiming a new station, just reporting
> > on
> > > reception conditions.  You could argue that a distinct known offset,
> like
> > > 774.005, might be enough to determine the source of a carrier, but I
> > > wouldn't (even if I could measure that precisely).  Also, offsets can
> > > change, sometimes on a daily basis. But some have had big offsets like
> > > Libya 1053 and Albania 1395 and it's pretty clear what those signals
> > might
> > > be, but, again, I wouldn't report them as new loggings unless there was
> > > something IDable.  Libya, for example, was heard around 2010 on a big
> > > offset, but it was only when I heard its Big Ben-style bells that I
> > logged
> > > it.  Jim Renfrew, Holley NY
> > >
> > > On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 8:24 AM, Stan Horzepa <stanzepa@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > I have been chasing DX for almost 50 years.
> > > >
> > > > In ham radio, when I exchange signal reports with a DX station, I
> enter
> > > > the station in the log.
> > > >
> > > > With one-way DX'ing (LW, MW, FM, TV, etc.), when I hear (or see) the
> > call
> > > > sign of the DX station, I enter the station in the log.
> > > >
> > > > But what about all those LW and MW carriers I see reported here on
> > almost
> > > > a daily basis. Do you log them as new stations even though you can
> not
> > > > positively identify them?
> > > >
> > > > For example, last week I heard carriers on 549, 684, 693, 855 and
> 1215,
> > > > but there was no discernible audio to help identify those stations.
> > 1215
> > > > was probably Absolute Radio, but do I log it as a new station?
> > > >
> > > > What is the general philosophy about logging carriers?
> > > >
> > > > FWIW, I have not logged them as new stations. Am I being too
> > > conservative?
> > > >
> > > > Stan, WA1LOU
> > > > Wolcott, CT
> > > >
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> > > Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 10:40:31 -0400
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