Re: [IRCA] Using a portable heater while DXing

[Les Rayburn <les@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

I think it’s unsafe to use any portable fuel-based heater that is not specifically designed for indoor use. My understanding is that this will limit your choice to propane heaters specifically rated for indoor use.

Indoor safe heaters feature an oxygen depletion sensor (ODS) that will automatically shut the heater off if the available air flow is reduced below a safe level.

Even with an indoor-rated heater, you should know the symptoms of CO poisoning. These include nausea, dizziness, headache, blurred vision, etc.  If you experience any of these symptoms, you should immediately switch off the potential source of CO—and move outside to fresh air. 

I personally would recommend buying an inexpensive battery powered CO detector, and having it with you at all times. A fire extinguisher is also a good precaution. Getting up and going outside once every hour for fresh air is another reasonable precaution, and will help maintain the focus on DXing. 

To be clear—any fuel based portable heater relies on combustion for heating. Any appliance that has combustion is a potential source of CO gas. You should NEVER sleep with one of these running, even one that is indoor rated for safety. Interlocks can fail. 

This is a serious topic—and I would recommend doing your own research and educating yourself on the issue. Hope that it works out for you. Good DX and be safe. 

73,

Les N1LF



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> On Feb 20, 2017, at 1:11 AM, Chuck Hutton <charlesh3@xxxxxxx> wrote:
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> As this is an important issue, I'd rather have you say specifically what you consider unsafe. Otherwise, confusion may result in some of tonight's advice being accepted while unsafe and other advice being rejected while safe.
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> Chuck
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> Subject: Re: [IRCA] Using a portable heater while DXing
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> I think the key to remember is that safety must come first. It would not be extreme to recommend that you take along both a fire extinguisher and a CO Alarm to detect concentrations of carbon monoxide.
> 
> Many things being recommended by well-meaning DX’ers tonight are dangerous and potentially fatal. Open faced propane heaters are NOT safe for indoor use.
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> Read this and educate yourself before doing something potentially life-threatening.
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> http://campsafe.org/?p=1
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> Know the difference between indoor-safe and outdoor only ...<http://campsafe.org/?p=1>
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> With sub-zero temperatures and winter storms continuing to plague the U.S., portable propane heaters have become an alternative choice for providing residences with ...
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> 73,
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> Les N1LF
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>> On Feb 20, 2017, at 12:46 AM, Paul B. Walker, Jr. <walkerbroadcasting@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> 
>> *rasies hand* Talk about DXing in extreme cold.
>> 
>> My boss and I discuss my hobby from time to time and this is what he has
>> suggested to me:
>> 
>> An ice fishing shelter and a propane heater:
>> http://www.sportsmanswarehouse.com/sportsmans/mobile/Eskimo-
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>> Quickfish-3-Ice-Fishing-Shelter/productDetail/Eskimo/
>> prod99990133782/cat125203
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>> A small propane heater would warm it up in 20 seconds. My boss and many
>> here are avid outdorosmen and do stuff like this regularly.
>> 
>> Paul
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>> On Sun, Feb 19, 2017 at 9:36 PM, James Renfrew <jim.renfrew@xxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
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>>> I used a kero heater in my unheated attic in Rochester for many years.
>>> VERY important to have fresh air coming in.  My mistake was being so
>>> focused on dxing that I would sometimes forget to refill the kerosene and
>>> as it died it produced enough fumes to be dangerous.  Then I'd have to open
>>> the windows to air the place out.  And then everything got real cold
>>> quick.  That propane unit sounds like a much better idea.  With kero I
>>> would never run it unless I was in that room and awake at all times.  Jim
>>> Renfrew, Clarendon NY
>>> 
>>> On Feb 19, 2017 20:57, "Rick Dau" <drummer1965us@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I was hoping Shawn Axelrod would chime in on this topic, which he did in
>>>> an off-list message to me.  I had always wondered what he, Niel Wolfish,
>>>> Morris Sorenson, and Wayne McRae used to keep warm during all those
>>>> DXpeditions at Valhalla Beach (65 miles - 104 km - almost due north of
>>>> Winnipeg), where I'm sure the temps in January can get brutal.  If memory
>>>> serves me right, they set up shop inside an abandoned school bus.  THAT
>>>> must have been fun!  Very helpful that Shawn included pics so I know what
>>>> to look for in the future.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 73,
>>>> 
>>>> Rick Dau
>>>> 
>>>> South Omaha, Nebraska  EN21af
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>>>> From: AMANDX <amandx@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2017 7:06 PM
>>>> To: Rick Dau
>>>> Subject: Re: [NRC-AM] Using a portable heater while DXing
>>>> 
>>>> Rick
>>>> 
>>>> When we were DX'ing from the Valhalla site we used small propane heaters.
>>>> they used one pound Propane cylinders and that ran a small heater that
>>>> attached straight to the cyylinder. Worked great for many years. Came
>>> witha
>>>> satnd to keep things safe. Pics below of a similar model to what we used.
>>>> Way safer that kerosene as these cylinders don't spill. Screw the heater
>>> on
>>>> tight and light her up.
>>>> 
>>>> Shawn
>>>> 
>>>> [Image result for 1 pound propane cylinder]
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> [Image result for 1 pound propane cylinder heater]
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