Re: [HCDX]: DXing & Copyright

["Robert Montgomery" <RMonty3@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

I am in total agreement.  I think the guy should get a life.  This is a
hobby and not an area open to law suits.  This guy must be from the N.E.
corner of the US.  Thats all they do around here is sue people.

Is it time for a new hobby????
Bob Montgomery


-----Original Message-----
From: Elmer D. Escoto R. <eescoto@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: Don Moore <mooredxer@xxxxxxxxx>
Cc: hard-core-dx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <hard-core-dx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Thursday, February 11, 1999 6:09 PM
Subject: Re: [HCDX]: DXing & Copyright


>Hi there, Don.
>
>I move you ignore this guy.
>Tell him good-bye and good luck.
>If he keeps bitching, tell him @%$^&#(@!^^%(.!!!!
>This is a hobby, and it's supposed to be enjoyable.
>
>Don Moore wrote:
>
>> In a logging in a recent DX report one of the details I included was
>> the station slogan which I heard. I have since been accused by another
>> DX of violating his copyright as I did not credit him in my logging.
>> He had heard and reported that slogan several days before my logging -
>> and he always posts/publishes his loggings with a copyright notice
>> attached. (For the record, yes I had read his logging. And, I heard
>> the slogan clear enough on my own to understand it without outside
>> help.)
>>
>> I would simply ignore this, however, it is not the first time I have
>> been similarly accused by this person and I know of his making similar
>> accusations against other DXers.
>>
>> I am curious to read what others have to say about this - especially
>> anyone with real knowledge of the issue, such as any legal experts who
>> may be on the list. (Obviously, there are differences between
>> countries.)  My own limited background on copyright law comes from
>> some training I had, as a university teacher, of copyright as it
>> applies to academic research, and a discussion I had a few years ago
>> about this same individual with a lawyer/DXer.
>>
>> For purpose of discussion, I have created the following two **FAKE**
>> loggings (I certainly hope I don't see these reprinted elsewhere as
>> real information!).
>>
>>    ECUADOR 5050 Radio Superior 0125-0230 pop music, ads, ID
>> announcement "Desde Ambato, trasmite Radio Superior para    todo el
>> Ecuador", and new slogan as "Su Emisora Amiga".    (Dillon Hollister,
>> copyright, Jan 12)
>>
>>    ECUADOR 5050 Radio Superior 0030-0105 pasillos, time    check with
>> ID, ad for "Banco del Occidente" and "Su    Emisora Amiga" slogan.
>> (Don Moore, Jan 22)
>>
>> To my understanding, in the above example Dillon Hollister (a fake
>> name) can obviously copyright the text of his logging - it is a piece
>> of original writing that he has created. If anyone reprinted that
>> logging without his permission and credit they would be violating his
>> copyright, which he has clearly claimed.
>>
>> However, my reporting the same slogan which Dillon Hollister
>> originally reported in no way violates his copyright. It was not
>> created by him. If anyone has copyright on the slogan, it would be the
>> member of the station staff that created it. Likewise for the actual
>> station name (Radio Superior) if this were also a new station.
>>
>> As I understand copyright, individual things which have not been
>> created by the DXer - station names, program names, city of location,
>> address, frequency, etc are general facts and can not be copyrighted
>> by the DXer making the report. On the other hand, collections of such
>> information can be copyrighted because they represent creative effort
>> in bringing together and organizing the information. For example, if
>> you typed up the Peru section of the WRTH and put it on your website,
>> you would be violating their copyright. But, if you post a logging of
>> Radio Satelite in Santa Cruz on 6725v, you haven't violated their
>> copyright just because that happens to be one of the stations on their
>> list. Likewise, if you post a list of Peruvian stations you have
>> logged or that were reported to a particular DX bulletin last year,
>> that also would not violate their copyright since this represents a
>> different creative effort in organizing the factual information.
>>
>> My question here is only about copyright issues. As a matter of
>> courtesy, DXers should (and many do) thank others who have provided
>> significant helpful information which the DXer *has not been able to
>> get on his own*, e.g. "Thanks to Bill Kyle for providing the location
>> of this station". (Of course, even then there is a limit. One might
>> thank Bill for discovering the location of this station for a week or
>> two after he did it. But we wouldn't all still be doing it six months
>> or a year later --- although, I do remember a now-deceased DXer from
>> the 1980s who expected just that.)
>>
>> Further comments and helpful information appreciated...
>>
>> Don Moore   mooredxer@xxxxxxxxx
>>
>> ==
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